Brigadon

That is not constructive criticism, that is an insult.
 
the fly gene's difficulty is 100x harder than killing a bat, because killing a bat (or other mob that flies) involves a completely different process and result than using genetics to achieve it. Yes, shapeshifting is a bit 'easy mode' (and not a mod I would personally have included in the pack) but, while detailing what YOU see to be an egregious flaw, and why, in hopes of improving things is NOT what you did... you just told the developers off, called them incompetent to design a pack, and implied that they never thought the pack through.
 
There are ALWAYS unintended loopholes when you build a mod pack. that's why some of the most popular have gone through dozens of iterations, and in fact THIS particular pack is ALSO going through those same iterations as well. You are in essence, looking at a bolt on an assembly line, and saying "That's a sucky car, you guys build bad cars."
 
I strongly support people providing constructive criticism, but you are not critiquing (which generally requires you to suggest a solution) you are simply bitching.
 
about the comparison with Hexxit-
 
Frankly, I despise the hexxit pack. I think it completely twists the whole concept of 'minecraft' into an unfamiliar hack and slash genre that I simply do. not. enjoy.
However.
 
I will not at any time claim that the guys that MADE the hexxit pack didn't know what they were doing, or didn't think things through.
Obviously, they put out a pack that some (admittedly munchkin) players really enjoy. It was a professionally-done pack, and after a LOT of iterations it is in a really great balanced state... if you enjoy that sort of thing.
 
 Based on the traffic on THIS board, obviously some people consider THIS to be a great modpack as well. Do them the courtesy of assuming that they had something in mind... and while you may not be intellectually capable of 'getting' the pack, or of the difference between common English homophones such as 'peak', your unsubstantiated opining upon the personal abilities of the developers is, in fact, not, by definition, 'constructive criticism'.
 
In short, trying to suggest that you are in some way contributing to a pack by pointlessly insulting it's creators is pretty darned shallow.
 
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I actually like the stupid spawns. a couple of runs with minions, and I am set to start committing crimes against nature. the mining grind has been supplanted by the experimentation/research grind, which is a nice change of pace.

are you kidding? That's AWESOME!
something like that happening is something you will REMEMBER for a long time.
 
Which do you think you will remember longer;
putting another wooden stair roof on another cobblestone hut?
Or watching a tornado RIP THROUGH YOUR buildings, sending that same roof whirling like a demented snowstorm of destruction as a hugely towering miasma of whirling energy tears it's way through, barely escaping with your life as you sprint deep underground to escape the deathtrap?
 
Man, I hope you got to see chickens and cows flying

I really want to answer your question with a suggestion but I keep getting distracted by your avatar.
Have you tried... Damn, what is that?
maybe if you... That Avatar is cool and screwed up at the same time. What is it?

I really want to answer your question with a suggestion but I keep getting distracted by your avatar.
Have you tried... Damn, what is that?
maybe if you... That Avatar is cool and screwed up at the same time. What is it?

there is always basalt down near level 9 and below, interspersed with bedrock.

actually, AOTB has a LOT of 'unique crafting tables' which do not conform to NEI and will not bring up recipes, stuff like the genetics lab, dino tables, and the like could use a comprehensive wiki
 
not to mention it would be a good place to put tutorials, introductions to poorly-documented mods, (of which there are several... or if not poor mod documentation, then scope that vastly outperforms existing documentation) tips and tricks that are absolutely and uniquely suited to aotb (does anything else need a bat-spawner? or a custom MFR breed-sorting Darwin farm?) and workarounds for commonly-modpacked mods that may not be available in the pack. good explanations of how certain blocks interact with modpack-unique items can help as well (Carpenter's fences used around an MFR farm will kill baby animals)

Why is this topic even open. If someone has any actual questions or concerns or opinions or ideas or whatever else, then make a new thread and we can start over.

you might have to be trifle less obtuse.
"Saying that throwing punches is childish and beneath me is, in effect, throwing a punch at everyone else that you feel DID throw punches."
This is a self-referencing contradiction, and actually funny as hell when you consider that you are referring to yourself as childish and beneath yourself.
 
Man, I miss the days back when I used to be able to say that kind of thing with a straight face... hypocrisy is so much easier and more fun than self awareness .
 
"Anyone that says the word 'jerk' is a total jerk, unlike me."
 
you are quite welcome to throw punches at me if you feel the need to do so. I enjoy it. Call me a masochist.
 
seriously, though I am quite interested to see what the devs have to say about this entire thread in the morning. It should be highly amusing.

But the amusement thus far has been worthy of the popcorn, and the smacks dealt have been epic.

Actually, it was a subtle jab from an ex-furry pointing out that behavior in mucks is NOT generally considered courteous on non-furry boards. And that she was attempting to use her name as a way to stifle disagreement with her personal attack, which I took as a rallying cry to defend the Modpack's creators.

Am I? really? Please, show me where I advocated assaulting women? ANYWHERE in these forums is fine.
 
in point of fact I actually teach women's self-defense classes at my church two nights a week. Now you are complaining about my not being a politically correct vampire? seriously? (rofl) My ability to recognize and call attention to commonly-used internet psychological ploys has no bearing whatsoever on whatever my politics are, which has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that someone was USING those ploys in an attempt to cultivate sympathy for an aggressive attack on a mod developer. One which I find reprehensible.
 
and, BTW, I am most assuredly NOT an M(H)RA. your frothing indictment makes up for in violence what it lacks in coherence. And your attempt to silence dissent is more a clue as to your personal politics than mine.
 
Frankly, I think that Furry has a right to insult whomever she chooses (although it strongly skirts the line of violating board rules about personal insults) , just like I have a right to call attention to the fact that her 'constructive criticism' was anything but, and why. These are not 'human rights' or 'revealed rights' or 'enlightened rights', they are rights granted specifically by the owner of this board, in who's back yard we are playing. The freedom of speech we are granted here is NOT to be taken for granted, as it is not speech, it is text on an owned bulletin board.
 
Let me give you a hint.... close the internet, sit back, relax, watch some TV, and think about the fact that you are capable of doing so at any time. heck, play some single-player minecraft... did you notice I am not there? I am not in the same room with you, you don't even have to listen to anything I say or read anything I write... See how easy that was? Then you can come right back and put on your pure white virtual armor of chastity and board your electronic horse (since riding real horses is objectifying and denying their right to not be oppressed) and defend the heck out of whatever it is you are talking about, Like putting people in prison for thought and speech crime.

Isn't that great?
 
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@Freakachu;
Dudequest IS, in fact, my site... one I post on every time the vitriol from my ex-wife gets too much to take. It's a venting site, one which, in fact, has absolutely no traffic whatsoever. Unless some cyberstalker goes looking for ammunition... I am not a politician, I am self-employed, I could care less about getting doxxed, it will not harm me in any way. That's why I have a real life picture of my face and have mentioned where I live multiple times. My woman knows about dudequest, my family knows about it, I have nothing to hide.
It has no bearing on what I say here. I am here to talk about minecraft, not politics.
 
Actually, the fact that the guy tracked me here in order to attack me in an entirely inappropriate forum is oddly pleasing. He actually read my rants and took them a lot more seriously than I did when I wrote them.

Am I? really? Please, show me where I advocated assaulting women? ANYWHERE in these forums is fine.
 
in point of fact I actually teach women's self-defense classes at my church two nights a week. Now you are complaining about my not being a politically correct vampire? seriously? (rofl) My ability to recognize and call attention to commonly-used internet psychological ploys has no bearing whatsoever on whatever my politics are, which has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that someone was USING those ploys in an attempt to cultivate sympathy for an aggressive attack on a mod developer. One which I find reprehensible.
 
and, BTW, I am most assuredly NOT an M(H)RA. your frothing indictment makes up for in violence what it lacks in coherence. And your attempt to silence dissent is more a clue as to your personal politics than mine.
 
Frankly, I think that Furry has a right to insult whomever she chooses (although it strongly skirts the line of violating board rules about personal insults) , just like I have a right to call attention to the fact that her 'constructive criticism' was anything but, and why. These are not 'human rights' or 'revealed rights' or 'enlightened rights', they are rights granted specifically by the owner of this board, in who's back yard we are playing. The freedom of speech we are granted here is NOT to be taken for granted, as it is not speech, it is text on an owned bulletin board.
 
Let me give you a hint.... close the internet, sit back, relax, watch some TV, and think about the fact that you are capable of doing so at any time. heck, play some single-player minecraft... did you notice I am not there? I am not in the same room with you, you don't even have to listen to anything I say or read anything I write... See how easy that was? Then you can come right back and put on your pure white virtual armor of chastity and board your electronic horse (since riding real horses is objectifying and denying their right to not be oppressed) and defend the heck out of whatever it is you are talking about, Like putting people in prison for thought and speech crime.

Isn't that great?
 
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@Freakachu;
Dudequest IS, in fact, my site... one I post on every time the vitriol from my ex-wife gets too much to take. It's a venting site, one which, in fact, has absolutely no traffic whatsoever. Unless some cyberstalker goes looking for ammunition... I am not a politician, I am self-employed, I could care less about getting doxxed, it will not harm me in any way. That's why I have a real life picture of my face and have mentioned where I live multiple times. My woman knows about dudequest, my family knows about it, I have nothing to hide.
It has no bearing on what I say here. I am here to talk about minecraft, not politics.
 
Actually, the fact that the guy tracked me here in order to attack me in an entirely inappropriate forum is oddly pleasing. He actually read my rants and took them a lot more seriously than I did when I wrote them.

Am I? really? Please, show me where I advocated assaulting women? ANYWHERE in these forums is fine.
 
in point of fact I actually teach women's self-defense classes at my church two nights a week. Now you are complaining about my not being a politically correct vampire? seriously? (rofl) My ability to recognize and call attention to commonly-used internet psychological ploys has no bearing whatsoever on whatever my politics are, which has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that someone was USING those ploys in an attempt to cultivate sympathy for an aggressive attack on a mod developer. One which I find reprehensible.
 
and, BTW, I am most assuredly NOT an M(H)RA. your frothing indictment makes up for in violence what it lacks in coherence. And your attempt to silence dissent is more a clue as to your personal politics than mine.
 
Frankly, I think that Furry has a right to insult whomever she chooses (although it strongly skirts the line of violating board rules about personal insults) , just like I have a right to call attention to the fact that her 'constructive criticism' was anything but, and why. These are not 'human rights' or 'revealed rights' or 'enlightened rights', they are rights granted specifically by the owner of this board, in who's back yard we are playing. The freedom of speech we are granted here is NOT to be taken for granted, as it is not speech, it is text on an owned bulletin board.
 
Let me give you a hint.... close the internet, sit back, relax, watch some TV, and think about the fact that you are capable of doing so at any time. heck, play some single-player minecraft... did you notice I am not there? I am not in the same room with you, you don't even have to listen to anything I say or read anything I write... See how easy that was? Then you can come right back and put on your pure white virtual armor of chastity and board your electronic horse (since riding real horses is objectifying and denying their right to not be oppressed) and defend the heck out of whatever it is you are talking about, Like putting people in prison for thought and speech crime.

Isn't that great?
 
edit-
 
@Freakachu;
Dudequest IS, in fact, my site... one I post on every time the vitriol from my ex-wife gets too much to take. It's a venting site, one which, in fact, has absolutely no traffic whatsoever. Unless some cyberstalker goes looking for ammunition... I am not a politician, I am self-employed, I could care less about getting doxxed, it will not harm me in any way. That's why I have a real life picture of my face and have mentioned where I live multiple times. My woman knows about dudequest, my family knows about it, I have nothing to hide.
It has no bearing on what I say here. I am here to talk about minecraft, not politics.
 
Actually, the fact that the guy tracked me here in order to attack me in an entirely inappropriate forum is oddly pleasing. He actually read my rants and took them a lot more seriously than I did when I wrote them.

If only. Oversensitive much? your op made me...do nothing but address what i saw as irrelevant slander. I bet you truly believe in 'trigger warnings' and 'cyberbullying' (snerk)
 
Let me SHOW you what a critique actually is. This is less an attempt to 'mansplain' or 'educate' you, than it is to demonstrate your complete misunderstanding of the phrase 'constructive criticism' to any other readers.
 
 
There is a minor but incontrovertible problem with AOTB, and that lies in the area of server owners.
Frankly, the two core mods, resource acquisition (minions) and monster-making (Darwin) are flawed on servers... minions is too CPU-intensive for most server owners, who promptly disable it, leaving a huge hole in early-game resource acquisition and turning it into another 'get stuff and build fortress and turn to resource multiplication' instead of 'get stuff, start on monster making' that was intended.
 
In addition, Biomes-o-plenty has written, into their code, a reassignment of the biome ID's for vanilla biomes. Darwin ONLY spawns in the original (with the original biome IDs) numbers, which means, in a biomes-o-plenty world, that only beaches are valid spawn locations... and only a very few very rare beaches at that. When added to multiple players flying around early on and clearing spawn locations, the entire mod is completely inaccessible to the vast majority of players on servers.
 
There are a number of possible solutions.
to the first problem, minions could be replaced... I hate this idea personally, since I love minions and think it's perfectly thematically appropriate for the mod. possible replacements include tohou's dolls, ancient warfare, or even computercraft (for that overcomplicated old-school feel). This would likely need to be paired with an updated storage system, such as better storage or iron chests, in order to deal with the extreme resource overflow (instead of pinpoint acquisition) that such sledgehammers usually entail. Ancient warfare includes it's own storage solution, but it is an extremely involved mod that would shift the focus slighly from 'mad scientist' to 'evil overlord'.
 
alternatively, of course, the default configuration could be changed, to only 1 or perhaps 2 minions out at a time. This is the solution I personally favor, since it would only take moments to implement, require no testing, and would neatly resolve the issue (minion cpu problems are multiplicative... a single minion is scarcely more CPU intensive than a horse, once you remove the staggered task management of multiple minions from the equation). Of course, with such restricted minions, a reduced cost multiplier would probably be appropriate, say .5 or 1 (2exp or 4 exp levels respectively) althugh food costs could remain unchanged (self-regulating)
 
As far as the darwin problem, though, I cannot really see a solution that doesn't require a radical restart (bop getting removed will nail all the new servers) or being replaced by a similarly low-footprint monster-maker, such as utility mobs.
 
That is constructive criticism. I am not saying I am right or that they should immediately drop everything and implement my suggestions, but I am explaining the whys and wherefores and relating them directly to the stated goals of the pack, which is the mad scientist thematic.
I offer SEVERAL possible solutions, starting with the most dramatic and labor-intensive and ending with the one I see as being the most likely to implement, that way they can see where I am coming from and my reasons for coming from there, and maybe add to the research I have done already if they have reason to distrust my veracity or need to verify.
 
This is not 'furrymuck'. there is not a monolithic set of wizards that can approve little bits of code or a place where social justice rules. this is a forum for discussing video games, where logic and courtesy, not entitlement and gender politics, are important. Try to keep that in mind.

If only. Oversensitive much? your op made me...do nothing but address what i saw as irrelevant slander. I bet you truly believe in 'trigger warnings' and 'cyberbullying' (snerk)
 
Let me SHOW you what a critique actually is. This is less an attempt to 'mansplain' or 'educate' you, than it is to demonstrate your complete misunderstanding of the phrase 'constructive criticism' to any other readers.
 
 
There is a minor but incontrovertible problem with AOTB, and that lies in the area of server owners.
Frankly, the two core mods, resource acquisition (minions) and monster-making (Darwin) are flawed on servers... minions is too CPU-intensive for most server owners, who promptly disable it, leaving a huge hole in early-game resource acquisition and turning it into another 'get stuff and build fortress and turn to resource multiplication' instead of 'get stuff, start on monster making' that was intended.
 
In addition, Biomes-o-plenty has written, into their code, a reassignment of the biome ID's for vanilla biomes. Darwin ONLY spawns in the original (with the original biome IDs) numbers, which means, in a biomes-o-plenty world, that only beaches are valid spawn locations... and only a very few very rare beaches at that. When added to multiple players flying around early on and clearing spawn locations, the entire mod is completely inaccessible to the vast majority of players on servers.
 
There are a number of possible solutions.
to the first problem, minions could be replaced... I hate this idea personally, since I love minions and think it's perfectly thematically appropriate for the mod. possible replacements include tohou's dolls, ancient warfare, or even computercraft (for that overcomplicated old-school feel). This would likely need to be paired with an updated storage system, such as better storage or iron chests, in order to deal with the extreme resource overflow (instead of pinpoint acquisition) that such sledgehammers usually entail. Ancient warfare includes it's own storage solution, but it is an extremely involved mod that would shift the focus slighly from 'mad scientist' to 'evil overlord'.
 
alternatively, of course, the default configuration could be changed, to only 1 or perhaps 2 minions out at a time. This is the solution I personally favor, since it would only take moments to implement, require no testing, and would neatly resolve the issue (minion cpu problems are multiplicative... a single minion is scarcely more CPU intensive than a horse, once you remove the staggered task management of multiple minions from the equation). Of course, with such restricted minions, a reduced cost multiplier would probably be appropriate, say .5 or 1 (2exp or 4 exp levels respectively) althugh food costs could remain unchanged (self-regulating)
 
As far as the darwin problem, though, I cannot really see a solution that doesn't require a radical restart (bop getting removed will nail all the new servers) or being replaced by a similarly low-footprint monster-maker, such as utility mobs.
 
That is constructive criticism. I am not saying I am right or that they should immediately drop everything and implement my suggestions, but I am explaining the whys and wherefores and relating them directly to the stated goals of the pack, which is the mad scientist thematic.
I offer SEVERAL possible solutions, starting with the most dramatic and labor-intensive and ending with the one I see as being the most likely to implement, that way they can see where I am coming from and my reasons for coming from there, and maybe add to the research I have done already if they have reason to distrust my veracity or need to verify.
 
This is not 'furrymuck'. there is not a monolithic set of wizards that can approve little bits of code or a place where social justice rules. this is a forum for discussing video games, where logic and courtesy, not entitlement and gender politics, are important. Try to keep that in mind.

Alright, i'm not sure if i'm the only one, but i truly hate the limited space we have for chests in this modpack, so for my own modpack i added iron chests 2
 
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/981855-15-and-up-forge-universalironchests-50-minecraft-15-update/
 
This makes it so you can "evolve" single chests into bigger chests, iron chests = the equivalence of a double chest, while only taking up one space. I found this very useful since we have so many different items from the mods, it makes it easier for sorting.
 
A thing to note ; you can place the upgraded chests next to eachother without them merging, making it where you can have 2+ next to eachother full of different things without a problem!

actually, if I could change anything in the pack, I would replace dragon mounts with animal bikes... no offense, but dragon mounts is insanely buggy.
 
still, with the bamboo from tropicraft and tropicraft islands, carpenter's blocks, and some darwin, I have my very own island of doctor moreau/Jurrasic park/freak show going on... it's an EXTREMELY fun change after playing the same nano armor quest for four years
 
 
end game goals are highly flexible, right now I am trying to learn how to shapeshift myself into an ender Dragon

actually, if I could change anything in the pack, I would replace dragon mounts with animal bikes... no offense, but dragon mounts is insanely buggy.
 
still, with the bamboo from tropicraft and tropicraft islands, carpenter's blocks, and some darwin, I have my very own island of doctor moreau/Jurrasic park/freak show going on... it's an EXTREMELY fun change after playing the same nano armor quest for four years
 
 
end game goals are highly flexible, right now I am trying to learn how to shapeshift myself into an ender Dragon

I actually like the stupid spawns. a couple of runs with minions, and I am set to start committing crimes against nature. the mining grind has been supplanted by the experimentation/research grind, which is a nice change of pace.