Yeah, I did overreact, I apologise. Was just a little frustrated because I'm no expert at computers and I couldn't find a solution. Plus I actually had no idea how to get an error report or whatever it's called, hence I didn't want to make my own thread without one, knowing someone would get upset. But I'm sorry for the way I acted, actually very mean like ashzification said. And what I think you'll find is that when I said "but the jar didn't work" or something like that, I was continuing on from what Boston81 said, as he never used the jar for fear it might be harmful. Not so different from his problem, unlike jorcers claim, simply what I presumed to be the more advanced stages of the same problem.