TrypHazard

Damn girl, d'you draw these?? I'm impressed!! I may well call you up to do me a piece in the future...

KS, as i'm sure you already know Industrial Credits sort of are the minecraft currency, i just think people have not used them because they cannot do anything else with them but re-spend them at other peoples shops. If people used these as the currency for shops then maybe the banking system could offer up a way of exchanging them for useful materials like gold and diamond? Dont know if this is anywhere near to what you were thinking anyway but i thought i would just say. :D

Well KS, you could move it to F+ for him showing a glimmer of tenacity.

You do realize your essay is going to be down-graded for spelling mistakes and grammatical errors, not to mention going totally off-topic. By that standard you could write encyclopaedia on the subject and still fail miserably!

Well hopefully KS's words on the matter should slow down the pitchforks that V00doo warned me about! As a reminder, the first line of my first post on this did just say it was only a SUGGESTION for the FAR DISTANT FUTURE for IF/WHEN ks should decide to renew the map and that i invited comments should anyone see a problem with that. Its actually been good to see how people feel about it and i think we can probably leave it to KS to inform us of his plans as and when they arise. :D

Uber, im not saying i want the wealth that others are making out of collectors. I just think that collectors are the easy way through tekkit and without them we would have a more interesting gameplay and not have shops stuffed with stacks of quantum armour, uu matter and HV solars being sold by people who dont care about the payment they receive for it cos they are swimming in EMC. I appreciate people want to create inventive buildings and machinery, so do i, but why straight away without working for it(and i dont call building a collector/array and condenser hard work by the way). It may as well be a 'creative mode' server if to many people are into 'instant gratification'.......... I do use a condenser myself at the mo, but it has quickly occured to me that i no longer even chop a tree down.............where has minecraft gone if you don't need to punch a tree??

Mustard?..Let's not be silly. Anyways what was i saying, ok so it is obvious that we already have varying views on this and the only way to satisfy all of us is to stick to what we have now and KS's original outline of not banning things. After all i suppose that is one of the reasons that many have been attracted to the server. I don't want anyone to lose the fantastic builds they have already created, that wouldn't be fair by any means. I know i said i would be up for a re-start to wipe the slate clean of lag issues but not if others would not want this. And actually i have experienced much less lag this past week than ever before and as far as i know we haven't had any real problematic crashes recently just a few simple resets. It is possible that whatever KS, Epyon and Garrett have been checking/editing/moving about in the past week has made a real difference. So yes, in a sense i can play my own game in my own corner of the world whilst others generate everything without lifting a finger, i can do that and set my own challenges but the reason i started this discussion was an attempt to create a better, more equal community life of trading. If items are harder to get they become more valuable and so trading is more important. Also to be doing the things in minecraft that your supposed to be doing, like mining and farming for food with a real purpose,not "just throwing a piece (of silver)in a condenser". Great builds would be feats of hard work and determination creating higher satisfaction.

Valid points made by all, even you jared. That's my OPINION. Hows the essay going by the way?

Firstly i don't think we should call this an arguement, more a discussion................ If EE3 is going to be as you have quoted V00doo then i think i would definately prefer it that way, though we don't have an indication of how far away that is. Until it is implemented i side with garrett in thoughts to re-start and stop the use of collectors/condensers when we do. It would certainly wipe the slate clean as far as un-used buildings and pipeworks, etc, etc are concerned but i also realize that people has spent a lot of time on the creations they have and this option will be entirely up to KS to consider anyway. Fingers, i did mention in my original post that started this little discussion that i know not everyone abuses the collectors and its wealth and will still be creative instead of bored and destructive to gameplay. EE still has some nifty items in it that i would like to see stay, its just the over-powered stuff that seems to take out the challenge i dislike. As for making holes in the landscape with quarries, we could have a policy of filling back in land-based quarries with dirt/cobble and marking the perimeter and signing it so that no-one quarries it again. This may mean putting alot of what you took out back in, but if we dont have condensers we wouldnt have much use for it. True cloneco, things would take a lot longer to develop but it would make it more worthwhile in the long run and mining, farming, trading, etc would have much more purpose and not just be a novelty. P.S. I don't know why people get so wound up about such discussions...i could say similar things like "if you don't like the discussion, don't partake in it", but i don't........ .....................did i get away with saying it???

I put the post on for a suggestion and was willing for comments if anyone could see problems with it, i even wrote that. Pluto, who the hell are you anyways, i havent seen you on the server yet and when i do you'll probably be one of the people i see flying around with a swiftwolf building towers out of RM blocks or handing out 'gifts' of RM or HV solar arrays or something. 'End-game materials' are just that, they bring your game to an end and i for one do not what that straight away! I dont knock all of EE, some of the stuff is still useful, i as well as others do think collectors and such ruin gameplay and i was only trying to suggest a way to make it so that we could have an interesting, challenging mode of play and all be on the same level of progression. Thankyou V00doo for the info. on EE i have not looked into any future changes that may occur and i do agree in principle with not banning items, though your points about blaze rod farms etc are quite valid. --Just i thought i just had...is there not plug-ins for having multiple worlds on the same server?? If this could happen we could split worlds, one for those wishing to overdose on RM through the use of collectors and eventually get bored and blow the place up with nukes and one with a few items disabled like i have mentioned for those of us wish to take our time and have a more challenging game!!-- EDIT: My point was really that i realized, even with the fact that i don't use collectors only condensers, that i have no need to go chop a tree or farm for food and since ive been on the server i have only been mining just over half a dozen times just to pick up random items to condense cos i already have one of most of the items at hand. Without the collectors/condensers each job serves a purpose that really needs to be done for what its meant for. The game is 'MINECRAFT' where you mine and craft and the mod pack is 'TEKKIT' where you have to get technical not just just place an item in a box and let it generate everything for you!

I just wanted to put out a suggestion for the far distant future for if/when the map may be renewed and we all start from stratch again and have posted it here to see what we all think of it. We all know the policy on energy collectors and that KS does allow people to use them but many or most of us as, i gather, feel that they do take a large element of fun out of the game. I personally have never used a collector and probably never will but even knowing that some people are using them i think is still effecting everyone's gameplay as these people become increasingly wealthy and get way ahead of the rest. Even if those who do use collectors are sensible enough not to run around handing out stacks of RM to others and use their wealth creatively, a sense a challenge is still lost. If the map is ever renewed i for one would like to see ALL collectors disabled. AND, and i know this one may be harder to swallow, I would also like to see energy condensers and transmutation tablets disabled!!! Having this done creates a far more challenging and rewarding gameplay where people have to work hard for what they create. Mining expeditions and quarrying will be far more important as raw materials, especially diamond, will need to be gathered constantly and not just once and then condensed thereafter. Most of the times that i have gone mining i invariably find some diamond, even if its just the one (which has happened!). "What about Tungsten?" i here you say. Yes, this may well become redundant but this problem can easily be remedied by KS setting up a Trade-O-Mat at spawn to exchange any you find for say two diamond. A few other such Trade-O-Mats could be added for such a purpose and stocked by admin, however these need only be a few as i would expect that trading itself would become an integral part of gameplay as demand for particular items would be higher and people would only be selling what they can spare and asking for things they really need instead of us having endless shops stacked with endless materials that many do not buy and that that the owners are not particularly bothered by what they receive for their goods as they already have plenty of materials. Farming for your food will be more worthy instead of a novelty, and cookies would be rare as cocoa beans are only found in dungeons and abandoned mines. Its treats like this that make it all worthwhile. Large architectural builds would take a long time and with hard work and effort by the builders, just like in real life. Rome's colosseums weren't built in a day!! As far as i know, and i might be wrong (comment if you can think of anything), all other items in the game could still be available without been affected by the disablement of these three things. Altogether I think that this would make for a tighter community, a slower but far more fun and rewarding game for all. When you really start to think of the game without these things you realize what parts of the game we take for granted. I know that renewing the map is likely to be a long, long way away but it would be good to see everyone's response to this, even if it does not happen. Sorry if this post seems long, i could have babbled on much more. :P

Markaskins, Note 1: When trying to comment on something someone has said to you try to think of your own words to say and not just repeat what they said to you but in slighty different words. This does show your schoolboy mentality. Note 2: Saying you want redemption because you were banned for griefing a vanilla minecraft server and not a tekkit server is like saying you want to be let off from a crime cos you did it in another city! Note 3: Markaskins, you are a tit. I shall say no more!

markaskins, according to the ban listings on MCBans you were struck off two servers within minutes of each other in May THIS year for griefing. Stop trying to excuse yourself with clichèd babble, pick up a dictonary once in a while and maybe buy a calender so you keep a track of time. I might be wrong but i think the day you show a real cathartic response to the consequence of your actions is the day i poke my eyes out with rusty nails....

Just read the above...Classic!

I'm sure ks7 will let you know here on the forum as soon as he's dealt with getting the server back on line rooste. The server has been undergoing a few crashes lately due to anchors and pipeworks, etc overloading it and he's trying to work out a solution to it. :)

I concur!!! xD

Commenting on what Voodoo said about the whitelist and core players, i think we have at least a dozen people who can already be considered core players, it would be good to find some more but we dont necessasily what it to be maxxed out all the time as some while find they cannot get on. Finding out those that do not log on at all anymore will help us lower lag by taking out their builds and keeping the whitelist tight will ensure the core players always have a space to get on....

Can i do my Victor Meldrew impression yet??? **This means i'm likely to lose some of my stuff again aren't I?????**

I have spotted some areas, will mean some de-forestisation though! And your not the only one Arach, I can't connect to other places, though I only have a few on my list!

k, well i am still looking for a new place to set up so be prepared for more generation....possibly anyways.... And thanks for the offer elite but im gonna be setting up on my own.....for a while at least!!

Soz, the new land generation at sea would likely be me.....i went exploring last night found a tiny island...im mean tinsy winsy...and built a little getaway hut there....its about 3500 blocks south to south-east of town............i'll wreck it if its causing a problem....

Just wanted to say, I do LOVE this server and all on it!!! I agree with what has been said by some (and ks7 right from the start) that energy collectors kinda take the fun outta play. I think i was one of the first people (well nearly) to get on the server when it went public and i have barely gotten started building myself up but i like doing it on my own and taking the time to do it right. It would perhaps be a good idea to limit the whitelist but this is obviously staff perogative. As for a new world...does this mean we all start again from stratch, i mean everyone and everything?? I suppose i won't mind if this choice is made......but i will miss my little hovel!!!!

Couldn't help myself! :p

In Game Name: TrypHazard Age: 31 Location: England Experience: Only been playing Minecraft since March this year, not brilliant at Tekkit but I have a little over the basics in my pocket. I would like to play on your server because up till now I have only played on open non-whitelisted servers and would like a place in which I am safe in the knowledge that what is built will not be griefed and so will not have to spend a long time sorting protection and permissions. I would like to think that I have a creative eye and would be able to add to your land in a satisFactory way!! :)