Cannot update

JustSparky · October 1, 2012

Launcher Version: 1.0.1.3

Operating System: Windows 7, 64 Bit

Java Version: 7u7 64 Bit

Antivirus Program: None

Description of Problem:

Whenever I try to log using any selected modpack, it'll give me the "Update Failed!" pop-up.

Error Messages:

Update Failed!

Error Log:


[22:29:35] [sEVERE]	------------------------------------------

[22:29:35] [sEVERE]	Launcher is starting....

[22:29:35] [sEVERE]	Launcher Build: '1.0.1.3'

[22:29:35] [sEVERE]	Allocated 910.25 Mb of RAM

[22:29:35] [sEVERE]	Java VM: '1.7.0_07-b10'

[22:29:35] [sEVERE]	OS Version: '6.1'

[22:29:35] [sEVERE]	Is 64-bit: 'true'

[22:29:36] [sEVERE]	[info] Downloading 'mirrors.yml' from 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/mirrors.yml'.

[22:29:37] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/CHECKSUM.md5', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:37] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file2260356475702025605.tmp to: \launcher\CHECKSUM.md5

[22:29:37] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\CHECKSUM.md5

[22:29:37] [sEVERE]	[info] Downloading 'modpacks.yml' from 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/modpacks.yml'.

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/voxelmodpack/resources/icon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/tekkit/resources/logo.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/yogbox/resources/favicon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/technicssp/resources/icon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/yogbox/resources/logo.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/technicssp/resources/logo.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/vanilla/resources/favicon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/tekkit/resources/icon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/vanilla/resources/icon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/voxelmodpack/resources/logo.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/tekkit/resources/favicon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/hackslashmine/resources/logo.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/hackslashmine/resources/favicon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/voxelmodpack/resources/favicon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/yogbox/resources/icon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/hackslashmine/resources/icon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/vanilla/resources/logo.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Starting download of 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/technicssp/resources/favicon.png', with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file3880075250851101414.tmp to: \launcher\technicssp\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\technicssp\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file3295175578881695999.tmp to: \launcher\voxelmodpack\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\voxelmodpack\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file482287301983734011.tmp to: \launcher\yogbox\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\yogbox\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file394526847891479675.tmp to: \launcher\voxelmodpack\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\voxelmodpack\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file3152435958237425035.tmp to: \launcher\hackslashmine\resources\logo.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\hackslashmine\resources\logo.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file7613073192948418368.tmp to: \launcher\vanilla\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\vanilla\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file7462649351329679252.tmp to: \launcher\tekkit\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\tekkit\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file531180979929609110.tmp to: \launcher\tekkit\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\tekkit\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file3379608578970193559.tmp to: \launcher\hackslashmine\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\hackslashmine\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file3619363706114695029.tmp to: \launcher\vanilla\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\vanilla\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file7394943157560057553.tmp to: \launcher\hackslashmine\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\hackslashmine\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file3738306571598947281.tmp to: \launcher\yogbox\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\yogbox\resources\icon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file6116002081511173246.tmp to: \launcher\technicssp\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\technicssp\resources\favicon.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file7255972563972071480.tmp to: \launcher\yogbox\resources\logo.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\yogbox\resources\logo.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file1058286442453215730.tmp to: \launcher\vanilla\resources\logo.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\vanilla\resources\logo.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file1572336232206738470.tmp to: \launcher\technicssp\resources\logo.png

[22:29:39] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\technicssp\resources\logo.png

[22:29:40] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file5755476887676770529.tmp to: \launcher\voxelmodpack\resources\logo.png

[22:29:40] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\voxelmodpack\resources\logo.png

[22:29:40] [sEVERE]	Copying: \temp\file157575062874571366.tmp to: \launcher\tekkit\resources\logo.png

[22:29:40] [sEVERE]	File Downloaded: \launcher\tekkit\resources\logo.png

[22:29:40] [sEVERE]	[info] Downloading 'libraries.yml' from 'http://mirror.technicpack.net/Technic/libraries.yml'.

[22:29:40] [sEVERE]	[info] Downloading 'modlibrary.yml' from 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/modlibrary.yml'.

[22:29:50] [sEVERE]	[info] Downloading 'modpack.yml' from 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/technicssp/modpack.yml'.

[22:29:51] [sEVERE]	[info] Downloading 'minecraft.yml' from 'http://206.217.207.1/Technic/minecraft.yml'.

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	Starting download of minecraft, with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	java.lang.Exception: Unable to download file

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.getConnectionInputStream(Download.java:161)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.run(Download.java:63)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:21)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	Download of minecraft failed!

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	Starting download of minecraft, with 2 trie(s) remaining

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	java.lang.Exception: Unable to download file

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.getConnectionInputStream(Download.java:161)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.run(Download.java:63)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:21)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	Download of minecraft failed!

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	Starting download of minecraft, with 1 trie(s) remaining

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	java.lang.Exception: Unable to download file

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.getConnectionInputStream(Download.java:161)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.run(Download.java:63)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:21)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	Download of minecraft failed!

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]	java.io.IOException: Failed to download minecraft

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:77)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:30:02] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	Starting download of minecraft, with 3 trie(s) remaining

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	java.lang.Exception: Unable to download file

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.getConnectionInputStream(Download.java:161)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.run(Download.java:63)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:21)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	Download of minecraft failed!

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	Starting download of minecraft, with 2 trie(s) remaining

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	java.lang.Exception: Unable to download file

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.getConnectionInputStream(Download.java:161)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.run(Download.java:63)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:21)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	Download of minecraft failed!

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	Starting download of minecraft, with 1 trie(s) remaining

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	java.lang.Exception: Unable to download file

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.getConnectionInputStream(Download.java:161)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.async.Download.run(Download.java:63)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:21)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	Download of minecraft failed!

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]	java.io.IOException: Failed to download minecraft

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.MinecraftDownloadUtils.downloadMinecraft(MinecraftDownloadUtils.java:77)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.GameUpdater.updateMC(GameUpdater.java:121)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:843)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at org.spoutcraft.launcher.gui.LoginForm$3.doInBackground(LoginForm.java:1)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)

[22:42:33] [sEVERE]		at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

I_Be_A_Troll_That... · October 1, 2012

A few words here:

1: Go get java 6u34

2: Downgrade to technic to 6.0.7

3: Go back to your original java update

4: Have fun

____________________________________________________________________________

I didn't get to finish my name...

I_Be_A_Troll_That_Lives_Under_The_One_And_Only_Bridge

I_Be_A_Troll_That... · October 1, 2012

2: Go get w/e modpack you want...*

____________________________________________________________________________

I didn't get to finish my name...

I_Be_A_Troll_That_Lives_Under_The_One_And_Only_Bridge

freakachu · October 1, 2012

A few words here:

1: Go get java 6u34

2: Downgrade to technic to 6.0.7

3: Go back to your original java update

4: Have fun

____________________________________________________________________________

I didn't get to finish my name...

I_Be_A_Troll_That_Lives_Under_The_One_And_Only_Bridge

not only will using java 6 cause even more problems, you should really not sign your name. the fact that it is so long that to forum software doesn't even display it all should give you a some hint that maybe you should look into coming up with a better one.

OP, something is blocking your connection to minecraft.net somehow from the looks of things. make sure any firewalls, proxies, and/or web filters are disabled.

JustSparky · October 1, 2012

I haven't used any proxies or web filters recently, and I checked again, my firewall is always off.

freakachu · October 1, 2012

I haven't used any proxies or web filters recently, and I checked again, my firewall is always off.

it's gotta be something other than those things then. I don't know what exactly, but the problem is still the same, you cannot connect to minecraft.net for some reason. if the vanilla launcher works, it's got to be something blocking specific programs.

JustSparky · October 1, 2012

Thanks for the help, I'll try to figure it out freakachu! ^.^

Edit: JUST WOW. THE REASON I COULDN'T UPDATE WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A SPACE BEHIND MY LOGIN NAME.

freakachu · October 2, 2012

Thanks for the help, I'll try to figure it out freakachu! ^.^

Edit: JUST WOW. THE REASON I COULDN'T UPDATE WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A SPACE BEHIND MY LOGIN NAME.

hahaha, well that's something to keep in mind for future issues.

Jorcer · October 2, 2012

hahaha, well that's something to keep in mind for future issues.

I forgot to mention that here... Apparently a fix has been submitted and Kaker or Cheap was looking at it.

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