INSIDE: "Technic Team should cater to my opinions & Mod Staff should coddle everyone for free"

[Tonylolwut]

All the information the Technic team has on this subject is public, so if you wonder "Hmm, is the latest version of RP in the technic pack yet?", you just have to go google it, check if it is out, and if it's not out, it's not in the Technic pack either.

Ahh yes that's perfectly doable. But don't you think, say, getting a confirmation that RP is going to be in the pack at all, or better, say, release a non-recommended build where RP isn't a part of the pack. You know, because the amount of other changes could keep aloot of people occupied (aswell as showing eagerness/readiness on their behalf), aswell as always being able to add things later.

I know these are rought examples, fully aware that 1)Obviously RP is going to be a part of the pack, 2) Mentioning releasing something is unheard of. (inb4 lots of releases on technic 1.4 ((which by the way, theres so much wrong with)))

[samo101]

I agree with Tony. I love the technic pack and its developers but my god this forum is full of assholes.

All he's asking for is a little clarification from the devs which would make watching technic much less painful and he gets an insulting email? jeez!

Technic's a great thing! Why rule out criticism and interest with an iron fist? It's ridiculous!

[Zenalia]

What is it that you guys don't understand about Technic/Tekkit not having control over when the mods are ported? Do you expect the Technic/Tekkit team to give you the status of every single mod? I really don't understand the logic here. This is the same thing that regular minecraft server ops have to deal with when minecraft releases an update. "Why can't I join? When is the server going to update to the new version?" It's simple, there's no way of knowing if/when a mod or plugin will be ready for the new update unless the person who makes the mod or plugin puts status updates on their site. So the only option is for them to repeat this information over and over for those who are too lazy to read previous threads, or just make a rule against asking for ETA's.

[Tonylolwut]

What about updating us on what's missing for them to complete. Or if maybe they're looking for substitute mods, or if they wish to add more mods, or add features to the launcher?

Forget about ETA's that's not the main point. Is it so much to ask for to include the comunity in their work. We cherish their work alot afterall.

There doing a -somewhat- good job with it. Theres now roughly 2 weeks since we got the last real update about tekkit 3 being finalized, then another 2 weeks about the death of forgebukkit. Then theres an amazing 2 and a half month gap to the technic dev build, another month or so to the next update.

As for this post I didn't care to check twitter and facebook because I'm not really using any of those. Besides, any updates should be on their own website afterall, especially considering facebook and twitter only has 1/5 of a page dedicated to it on the mainpage.

And just by throwing a quick glance at the news section, we have gotten 3 proper updates the last 5 months, going 6 with december. Are you happy with that?

And really, there shouldnt be rules against asking for ETA's. Ok there can be, but don't treat the people asking for it with bans, personal attacks, namecalling and by being mean. That's wrong and most definately doesn't help creating a good community. Not forget that it's not proffessional either.

Do you enjoy watching people who is using this product, come here to ask for an ETA, only to get banned, when theres on average weeks between every official word? Don't forget they now have a widely used product and supplying everyone with information about it is just common courtesy.

They are afterall gaining competition now with "feed-the-beast.com"(Actual link) rising. This is basically indentical to the Technic launcher as far as I know, maybe with a slight variation in the mods it includes. Maybe not reciving as much free PR through yogscast but I'm sure they, or someone else for that matter, can offer significant competition. Not to mention they have Forestry. (I haven't done alot of research about this pack, found it through Direwolf20's twitter)

Growing and keeping the happiest community will make or break the success of each of these packs I'm sure. Just like everything else.

[Zenalia]

You missed the entire point of what I said. Technic/Tekkit is literally a launcher with mods pre-installed. They don't make the mods, they make the easy to use launcher. Their hands are tied behind their back until the mods are ported. There is a dev build for 1.4.2 which you can use as well. You can also install your own mods if you feel so put out by their "lack of holding your hand customer service".

Google is your friend. Even searching in the forums (general forum etiquette) would have provided you with some of the information your asking for. And I don't see what's wrong with banning people who are too lazy to read or put a little effort into trying to fix a problem themselves before posting yet another thread asking the same thing as the 5 other people who posted a thread asked. If you can't figure out how to use the interwebz, do us a favor and just unplug your computer.

[Tonylolwut]

Well obviously I missed your entire point, I just shoo'd your post away since it wasn't relevant to what Ive been talking about.

[Zenalia]

Well obviously I missed your entire point, I just shoo'd your post away since it wasn't relevant to what Ive been talking about.

Oh, mah bad. I was under the impression you were crying about not getting status updates.

[Tonylolwut]

Ah yes I know you were. But no, I'm merely trying to come with my point of view, or I would call it constructive critizism, although I guess in your view it might be subjective.

I'm asking for updates yes, not neccessarily "buuuhuu when is tekkit 1.4 being released", which you are fixated on.

I already know the mods in technic launcher is preinstalled, that they don't make the mods, they make the easy to use launcher, their hands are tied behind their backs until the mods are portet, that theres a dev build for 1.4.2 which I can use, that I can install my own mods. Thank you for reading my posts That was sarcasm by the way.

Now, let me please copy paste the first lines of my third post ever made on this forum.

"What about updating us on what's missing for them to complete. Or if maybe they're looking for substitute mods, or if they wish to add more mods, or add features to the launcher?

Forget about ETA's that's not the main point. Is it so much to ask for to include the comunity in their work. We cherish their work alot afterall."

And don't fixate on the very first line please.

[Zenalia]

I did read your post, in its entirety, and I especially like the part about you expecting updates such as "we've googled redpower2, and it seems under work, etc."

What you're asking for is them to give you status updates on the mods. That's why I put in the reminder to you, even though you stated that you knew that it's a launcher, and that they have no control over when they are updated and ported, because it seems as though you forgot that fact when you starting asking them to google it for you.

That's what they're waiting for, what else do you want them to say? "Still waiting on [insert status of each of the 40+ mods here]".

I didn't touch base on the part of your post about their way of moderating their forums, because quite frankly if you don't like it, don't use it.

[Tonylolwut]

So basically you expect me, who isn't taking part in the development of the launcher, to come up with ideas on what they should update us on? Come on, I'm merely giving out vague examples. This is their intrest, their product, this is what they do. I can only assume they have some form of method to gather information about what they need to continue their own work, why can't they gather that information and post it to us, making this somewhat of a portal hub with information about their product. It does afterall include, as you say, 40+ mods.

Hehehe, I mentioned the Feed the beast thingy earlier. I literally just found it earlier while reading Simpleguys post about Twitter. Ive been there 10 minutes and i've figured out soo much about their plans, things they want to implement and easy ways to gather information and looked at the features they already have. I can literally go on and on about it but I'm not gonna cause it's gainst the rules aswell as I'd prefer to stick to one thing, technicpack. Christ, I'm asking you guys to open your eyes here and just see how things -can- be better.

[Zenalia]

Funny you should mention them, since their last only news update was October 8, 2012. Their page literally has a mod list, and a "hopefully we'll have this implemented" promise list.

[Tonylolwut]

Ok I didn't notice that during my 15 minutes there fine. They're still in beta though. However I watched direwolfs review of their launcher, released 10th of november (this year woho). And just there you can find lots of neat things you can get inspiration from. Gathering all the mods in a neat list, which will take you to their respective news sites, wikis and what not is also a way to give out information on. Theres many ways to do things. Looking at their forum also gives me the idea of activity and sharing.

EDIT; The news section does infact have updates from 21sth and 24th november aswell.

You just saw the "diaries" part.

It sucked anyway though just sayin'.

[Tonylolwut]

I'm not saying they are better then technic or anything like that. Merely pointing out theres competition, draw inspiration from them, be better! Information and guiding the community is a good, but long, way to go.

[Zenalia]

Have you gone to the mods list section of their site? The links are all broken. It doesn't give you any information, just a broken link. That, to me, is unprofessional. They are trying to release everything so fast, and it's full of bugs (not minor bugs, bugs that can literally break your world). I prefer Technic/Tekkit's way of doing things, not posting a dev build link (the 1.4.2 one I mean) on the front page for every noob to download and not know how to use. By not doing this, you avoid unnecessary bug report traffic and multiple posts with the same subject. The same with posting empty promises, people will only get pissed if those promises are not fulfilled. That is why it's pointless to give you such updates as "[insert mod here] is being worked on", because it only opens up for more "When will it be done?" questions. They DON'T KNOW when it will be done, it will be ready when it's ready.

[Tonylolwut]

I have, they are broken, and it is unprofessional I fully agree.

As for the empty promises, I agree on that too, people will get mad if they aren't fulfilled. But this is also a two way street. Doing little will have people mad, and they will ask for ETA's on mods. Doing too much (empty promises, gamebreaking bugs) will get people mad, and people will still ask for ETA's. It's all about finding the sweet spot in between.

I mean, I'm an electrician and I happily come with suggestions to different things while i'm at my customers. If I'm there to fit a lamp for them I don't just throw the manual in the faces and tell them to shut the fuck up and read instead of asking. Quite the opposite, I'll happily bring in all the catalogs I've got and show them everything they want, and I do that basically every day. Some times I make "empty promises" aswell. Not directly, but as in I promise to be there next week at 11am. Next week at 7am I call them to say I can't show up for whatever reason. Sometimes they get mad, usually not. I'll get there eventually though.

Anyway I got alittle offtopic there.. So what are you saying Zenalia? You're completely satisfied with how things are? Theres nothing else you could possibly imagine changed with the technic launcher, the community?

I don't care -all- that much about the launcher myself nor the updates really, i'm here for the mods and the easy to use launcher for the most part. I've just been checking in for updates every weekend, aswell as a couple other mods, but find myself left with more questions then information about whats going on.

I've noticed the community in its whole isn't really all that friendly here though and after Simpleguys warning that's whats been driving me mainly.

[SimpleGuy]

I originally typed a monolithic response, but then I remembered an old saying that directly applies in this situation: "You are dense". You just don't get it. And we don't want your type here.