Need help with building a nuke proof base.

[Kevin717]

The title is kinda self-explanatory; however, easier said than done. So lemme get it started. Building a nuke-proof base may sound easy to most of you, many of you might simply say "Just get a forcefield or 3 layers of reinforced stones/glasses". But I want to give everyone a little bit of challenge, and here's what I want for the nuke-proof base:

1. No force fields used.

2. No bedrocks used.

3. Can stand against TNT explosions and Nuclear explosions completely unscratched.

4. Can protect every single items inside the base. (That means dark/red matters won't work, as explosions go through it even they will not be destroyed.)

5. Must not take up too much spaces.

These are the rules I have for the nuke-proof base. I am asking everyone this is just for my tekkit researches and curiousity, seeing if it's possible to make a base completely invulnerable from no matter how many nukes explosions simultaneously.

[disconsented]

Obsidian.

[gavjenks]

plain obsidian wont do much. It has a reduced explosion resistance in tekkit and falls fairly easily to nukes. You could make a base that withstands 1 or maybe 2 nukes but more than that would be ridiculous.

The only two things I can think of:

1) Obsidian or reinforced stone might work IF you have a collector/condenser thing going that generates obsidian and fills it in with worker turtles to "heal" any damage from nukes. I can't think of any way to do this other than turtles, since 1 layer isn't enough, deployers only do 1 layer, and pistons don't work on obsidian.

2) Make your entire base be able to be built/broken down by a turtle, and pack it up whenever you leave. The turtle places everything in an ender chest or two (which can be broken and then replaced and have the inventory acessed immediately again). Then the turtle can then go down to the bottom of the map and tuck itself into a natural little wormhole of bedrock so it is protected on all signs from a direct line of sight to any nuke. Have it able to automatically reassemble your base when you ask it to. Store energy in lapotrons to not lose it when you break the machines. And remember, deployers with screwdrivers/wrenches can orient things.

[Kevin717]

plain obsidian wont do much. It has a reduced explosion resistance in tekkit and falls fairly easily to nukes. You could make a base that withstands 1 or maybe 2 nukes but more than that would be ridiculous.

The only two things I can think of:

1) Obsidian or reinforced stone might work IF you have a collector/condenser thing going that generates obsidian and fills it in with worker turtles to "heal" any damage from nukes. I can't think of any way to do this other than turtles, since 1 layer isn't enough, deployers only do 1 layer, and pistons don't work on obsidian.

2) Make your entire base be able to be built/broken down by a turtle, and pack it up whenever you leave. The turtle places everything in an ender chest or two (which can be broken and then replaced and have the inventory acessed immediately again). Then the turtle can then go down to the bottom of the map and tuck itself into a natural little wormhole of bedrock so it is protected on all signs from a direct line of sight to any nuke. Have it able to automatically reassemble your base when you ask it to. Store energy in lapotrons to not lose it when you break the machines. And remember, deployers with screwdrivers/wrenches can orient things.

Sounds good;however, another problem is you will not have access to your base legitimately.

[gavjenks]

Yes of course there are "problems." You ask for a magical base that somehow protects against nukes 100% without any of the intended methods of protecting against nukes... and then you get all concerned when your base still isn't able to serve you hot crumpets every morning with jam automatically?

You're gonna have to make some compromises on convenience, or on extreme cost or complexity if you want invulnerability to massively powerful explosives. Derp.

[gavjenks]

You could also just >.> <.< not let people find your base. Zing! Nuke proof!

[Adlersch]

Alternatively, find the End Portal, secure it from intruders (ie. Build an impenetrable (To others) perimeter around it, add reinforced stone to make the portal itself nuke-proof, and build your base in The End! If you're the only one who can access it, it's invulnerable to nukes unless your plan on trying to kill yourself and destroy all your hard work.

And if that's the case, just don't nuke your damn base.

Also gavjenks, people might yell at you for double posting. Use the edit button to avoid that.

[Kevin717]

Yes of course there are "problems." You ask for a magical base that somehow protects against nukes 100% without any of the intended methods of protecting against nukes... and then you get all concerned when your base still isn't able to serve you hot crumpets every morning with jam automatically?

You're gonna have to make some compromises on convenience, or on extreme cost or complexity if you want invulnerability to massively powerful explosives. Derp.

Well now...let's not get so serious,eh? I am just bringing this up for discussion and all' I don't intend to have people starting a flame war or trolling here'...Well not that kind of trolling.

Somehow guys, I found something quite interest and I wanna share with everyone here. I found it because I was running different kind of "test" myself (for the sake of SCIENCE!) while you guys were replying to my posts. It seems like oil in tekkit isn't flammable at all if you know what I mean. Try using oil people. I just found this out an hour ago.

[disconsented]

Well now...let's not get so serious,eh? I am just bringing this up for discussion and all' I don't intend to have people starting a flame war or trolling here'...Well not that kind of trolling.

Somehow guys, I found something quite interest and I wanna share with everyone here. I found it because I was running different kind of "test" myself (for the sake of SCIENCE!) while you guys were replying to my posts. It seems like oil in tekkit isn't flammable at all if you know what I mean. Try using oil people. I just found this out an hour ago.

Or water.

Oil is more useful.

[gavjenks]

[edit: misread above post, irrelevant part of response removed]

Naw, oil is no more effective against nukes than reinforced stone is. A nuke set off in the air directly above a pool of oil (e.g. sitting on a cobble block above) will permanently destroy the entire top layer of oil. A second nuke will destroy the second layer, etc.

So same, limited, non-infinite protection as reinforced stone, and also much much harder to work with and more expensive... Thus, oil does not meet the requirements you set out in the OP.

[gavjenks]

Oh also, with a single, sacrificial turtle (cheap! Not even a mining turtle), I could also nullify your entire oil shield system, without even having to know that you use an oil shield system.

All I have to do is send a turtle in with a nuke. It goes above your base, and then moves down until it hits something solid or perhaps it could check for anything other than the 9 most common types of dirt, stone, gravel, common ores, etc. (at this point it would have moved through all the oil). Then it moves back up 1, places a nuke below itself, activates the nuke, and then moves one block down to occupy the same space as the nuke.

Thus, the nuke will not actually be submerged in oil when it goes off, even though it's at the bottom of your oil lake. And the full force of the explosion will project downward in a narrow cone of destruction into whatever part of your base is below the oil.

If your base is underground, then I would need a mining turtle, but I wouldn't have to sacrifice it. it could simply be an escort to any number of plain turtles with nukes. The mining turtle digs until it hits something, then signals one of the sacrificial cheaper turtles to place the actual charge, while it retreats.

The best part is that this attack system is not specific to oil shields. I could make my turtles do this no matter what, since it would be equally effective against a non liquid shielded base. So it doesn't even require intelligence about your defenses ahead of time.

[Kevin717]

Oh also, with a single, sacrificial turtle (cheap! Not even a mining turtle), I could also nullify your entire oil shield system, without even having to know that you use an oil shield system.

All I have to do is send a turtle in with a nuke. It goes above your base, and then moves down until it hits something solid or perhaps it could check for anything other than the 9 most common types of dirt, stone, gravel, common ores, etc. (at this point it would have moved through all the oil). Then it moves back up 1, places a nuke below itself, activates the nuke, and then moves one block down to occupy the same space as the nuke.

Thus, the nuke will not actually be submerged in oil when it goes off, even though it's at the bottom of your oil lake. And the full force of the explosion will project downward in a narrow cone of destruction into whatever part of your base is below the oil.

If your base is underground, then I would need a mining turtle, but I wouldn't have to sacrifice it. it could simply be an escort to any number of plain turtles with nukes. The mining turtle digs until it hits something, then signals one of the sacrificial cheaper turtles to place the actual charge, while it retreats.

The best part is that this attack system is not specific to oil shields. I could make my turtles do this no matter what, since it would be equally effective against a non liquid shielded base. So it doesn't even require intelligence about your defenses ahead of time.

This points out a pretty good point, tho I am not very good at using a turtle myself. Also I'd like to ask if it's possible to have a turtle to place blocks above the sky limit(Y:256)? It'd be wonderful if you can. I also found that oil can be placed above sky limit just wondering if turtle can by pass the sky limit as well.

[gavjenks]

A turtle should be able to place blocks at 256. If computercraft has fakeplayer turned on, then maybe not.

The sky limit IS 256. Players just have a strange arbitrary limit of 255 for some reason, even though any plugin or mod can easily change block 256.

[IceBlueFire]

A turtle should be able to place blocks at 256. If computercraft has fakeplayer turned on, then maybe not.

The sky limit IS 256. Players just have a strange arbitrary limit of 255 for some reason, even though any plugin or mod can easily change block 256.

It's because the player box is 2 blocks high. The level it shows you at is the block you're standing on/in (255) while you're head is in block 256.

[F_Nietzsche]

I actually created a method for building a nuclear resistant (self regenerating) wall. Doing a little more research and I came across this post and thought it might be relevant: especially as it utilizes game mechanics talked about most recently (that of where you can place oil. Here's the link to my video:

[gavjenks]

I actually created a method for building a nuclear resistant (self regenerating) wall. Doing a little more research and I came across this post and thought it might be relevant: especially as it utilizes game mechanics talked about most recently (that of where you can place oil. Here's the link to my video:

That's great if a mindless turtle is the one placing the explosives. If it's a human, then it's useless. You would just place like 3 dirt blocks to block the flow of oil on the inside row of the oil fountain, then put a nuke and a redstone torch, and ta da! oil shield avoided.

[F_Nietzsche]

The idea is to use it on a server with factions enabled. You place the oil curtain within your faction claimed territory and no one but you can place blocks within the wall of oil. On a server without factions enabled, you are right--it would be useless.

[gavjenks]

The idea is to use it on a server with factions enabled. You place the oil curtain within your faction claimed territory and no one but you can place blocks within the wall of oil. On a server without factions enabled, you are right--it would be useless.

Oh well then can't you still just TNT cannon a nuke so that it sails right through the oil before exploding...? Or if you have a wall behind the oil, it would be flush with the inner wall before exploding, and still destroy it. Then the second nuke would sail through into your base. (nukes arent nullified by marely themselves being in liquid, like TNT)

[F_Nietzsche]

Hmm. Another good point. The server I play on has banned nukes, but not nuclear reactors (and the resulting explosions when they overload). Thus the system I invented. I suppose it's not a 100% system for every server, but those that ban nukes to prevent griefing, and whom have factions enabled should find this system works quite well. (going to start working on a way to prevent those nuke cannons now--think I have an idea in the works). :)

[Guest Ysharma]

A 4 layered shack with reinforced stone. and the shack should sense is one layer of reinforced stone is gone. if it is the items should get pumped into enderchests, and then you can have block breakers break the ender chests on the base side

[joe5]

and remember to put each feild on a different circuit

[XxzorlokxX]

My advise is make about eh 300 personal safes with reinforced stone on the inside , that will be absolutly un nukible