slowpoke101

No one from FTB is being asked to work on a Curse product.

The details of the contract are obviously ones I cannot talk about. I think it is fair and ok to say however that ALL FTB asset ownership remains with FTB. That is the websites, the domains the artwork everything. Our deal is to give curse the rights to distribute the FTB mod packs and to host the FTB forums. Development on the current launcher will continue till such time as I feel that a Curse client is in a position to distribute the packs. The same with the forums, they remain where they are until I am happy with the replacement. As to other members of the team coming, pretty much every main member of the core team was informed about all this before hand. However given commitments they had in real life, they were not able to make commitments to Forge, but were all willing and preferred to stay on with FTB as volunteers. With this in mind its important to note that this is a partnership, FTB is not merging in with Curse, we are working with them as partners. The FTB staff will continue to work on FTB projects elusively, I will be working on both FTB projects and Curse projects. That includes helping Curse prepare a client that is a suitable replacement for our own. As a final note, of course FTB was going to have people upset with them over this. I knew that from day one. So did the entire FTB team and so did the group of mod developers that were also involved in this from the beginning. I understand completely that our reputation has and will continue to take a hit. We all felt that the risk was worth the reward. There are a lot of people with negative comments, mainly to be honest regarding Curse. I choose, however to approach this deal optimistically, until such time as that is proved to be unwarranted.

np, I came here to answer questions originally, done that as best as I can. ill leave you to your conspiracy theory stuff again.

Just to be clear I have not deleted anything anywhere. I am not even allowed to be on the moderation team of that Reddit from my understanding as it has to remain totally independant. Thats the first thing, the second is this. If I have in some way misread the intent of the post that Kakermix made, then I apologise completely. I wasn't in any way commenting at all on the rest of the team or there motives and was purely going on the basis of what was written. Also I just checked, everything still seems to be where it was on Reddit, thread can be found here http://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/1ut98s/ftb_and_forge_curse_partnership/ Sort by new and the relevent parts are near the top. Finally and I know again this may be me misreading somehow but there is no mention of Kakermix turning them down, if anything it reads like the opposite is true. The post says 'The best part was I responded to the offer (after talking with Duncan a few times over the phone) with 'dramatic increase in what is being offered'. The response was 'we cant afford that' and thats where the talking stopped. From how I read that, it feels like Curse ended the negotiations and not Kakermix. Again if I have either misread this then I apologise but I can only go off the information in the post.

Yes I have and will continue to take legal advice. Also please remember, this isn't just me that has gone into this agreement. A lot of people were consulted beforehand and remain completely in the loop on this entire process.

@GenPage I dont blame Technic, Like I said I dont like it particularly like the way that its built because it allows other people to bypass permissions. But to blame technic is kind of like blaming Pirates Bay for indexing p2p files. But I dont think my approval was ever really needed was it. I was just providing as an example that neither system is perfect. Your second question is indeed a good one. We literally havent even started on this yet and most certainly do not have all the answers to all the questions at this time, just a broad outline of an idea.

I would say your own technic platform disproves that. 2554 pages of modpacks with 10 packs a page, I think theres quite a few people interested in making packs customised for their own individual needs.

no actually the point I was trying to make is I could sit here talking all day, but they are just words. I was saying judge it on its end result. But ok its not like its a secret as to what the vision is. It doesnt really apply to the packs we build, thats all fine and good. This is more aimed at the third party stuff. Lets look at the FTB way of doing things at the moment. Its over restrictive and a bit of a hurdle to get a pack on the FTB launcher. The main issue being we vet every pack and they have to be distributed from our repo. This is mainly a security concern but it creates huge restrictions. It also mean we have to manually check each pack for permissions. The platform way of doing it is the polar opposite if you like, its almost like it completely unrestricted. That means that people can put almost anything into a modpack and Technic distribute it. Again not what I would call a perfect method. With the upcoming FTB launcher we hoped to introduce a new automated system that would allow you to log onto our website, select the mods you want from a list of pre-approved mods that we had collated and the pack would be constructed automatically from this list. You then upload your configs (the universal config would help with this process) upload any mod that was specific to your pack (if appropriate) and this get added onto our launcher automatically. Its goal was to remove a lot of the restrictions that are currently there. It would also make the process of updating packs much easier. The new vision is essentially the same, however we wouldn't use our mod pack as a list we would be able to give people access to the entire curseforge library to build and update packs from. Everything we want to achieve, we could do. However Curse can do it better.

I will just put up the post numbers that relate to the answers I am giving, theres not much sense to the order here as I am going from post #1 down #2 You do realise FTB supported Third Party Mod Packs way before platform did right? There is no jealousy as I still dont really agree with Platforms ability to bypass permissions, but thats a different debate. #3 The moderation team for FTB will remain the same as it is now. No one has come to me and said they want to leave because of this. #4 I dont know if this helps, but we are not merging our forums into another set of forums, we are just changing the location. Will there be ads? yes but then that was probably always going to happen and its not like ours will be the forst website with ads on. #6 silly post #8 A completely new launcher for Minecraft is being developed. Once this deal takes place, Lex and myself will be running the project. Nothing from FTB will be moving over to the curse client until we say it does. There are no hard timelines on this. #13 We absolutely do not need Curse for anything, we are going into this deal because whist there are potential risks, I believe the potential benefits for the entire community outweigh those risks. We are in a perfect position for this bargain, it costs me nothing to say no to this. #16 As already noted here, Curse are not purchasing any assets here. Forge will remain open source. #18 Completely agreed freakachu. The only difference is I am going into this beleiving we can achieve those goals. You are totally right to wait and make judgement on our actions and not our words. #20 I still havent heard anyone give me a good reason to not like Curse. If its because they haves then that is fair enough. But beyond that this only works if we create something people want to use. If we make something rubbish, no one will use it and a whole load of development money goes out the window. We cant force people to use this stuff and its not like there aren't several viable alternatives out there. We want people to use this new launcher becuase its good. #24 Plenty of youtubers sign agreements with networks, I assume you have the same problem with them as well. #29 I hope to prove you wrong. #32 FTB became a business at the beginning of October, our first contact with Curse was several weeks later. There was no connection between the 2. #35 1) They cant do this, they dont and will not own Forge. 2) They cant do this, they dont and will not own Forge #36 As things stand, Forge does have its uses for FTB yes #42 1) In this instance I have heard nothing to indicate even remotely that lex has a number, however that is only my opinion. I can say that Lex is very adamant that Forge remain independent. 2) I think you would be surprised actually. I think as far as manpower goes we are almost the same. excluding people like moderators etc. We have 2 people working part time on the website, 2 people working part time on modpacks (remember we have several modpacks that we work on and currently 1 person working part time on the launcher. 3) Curseforge is not massively popular now no, thats our job to change it into a place that mod developers and end users 'want' to use in order to increase its popularity. Again this only works if CurseForge is good. 4) It a conditional part of the deal that other launchers can access the mods on the site in some fashion (yes this includes technic ) Of course this doesn't mean you have to, but the facility will be there, should you choose to use it. 5) Risk isnt the right word, I would say gain is more appropriate, Curse has a lot to gain if this is done right. 6) This is a high risk move for both parties. There is a substantial amount of developmentwork to be done (hence the timeline) thats a lot of salaries tied up on this project. I am totally aware that this as the potential to trash the FTB name. It is something I have spent a lot of time thinking about and talking to others about. However I still believ that the potential reward outweighs this risk. 7) Again the switchover happens when I say it happens and I wont allow that until such time as the launcher is in a place i feel is satisfactory. 8) This is another actions is louder than words. I would say dont judge us on the current launcher, it is not related to the one we will be using. There will be no artificial limiting of bandwidth etc. As to the launchers themselves, The technic launcher is OK, the current FTB launcher is also OK as long as your talking about packs you create yourself. If we do a bad job, people can still use the technic launcher. I will say however though, our goal is to make a better launcher than both the current FTB launcher and all other launchers out there. No one is going to be forced into using the Curse Client, our job is to build a client you want to use. The question that should be asked is 'What do I get out of this' You are completely right in that, but ask it at the right time when there is a way for you to get an answer. This is still very early days. I have a vision of what I want to help build here, will I succeed. I wont know unless I try.

Lots of really good questions here, its good to come back to this site to get a decent synopsis of potential issues and problems. I am going to go through and answer as many as I can over the next 20 minutes for you all.

Just to clarify, yes I was unbanned a while ago by SCT, no I have not felt the need to post on here since then. I have not yet tried hexxit, so it would be difficult for me to copy it. UHS is a third party mod pack created by one of the members of the team that help to build our modpacks. I have not compared the list of mods in UHS with Hexxit so I have no idea how close to each other they are. Feel free to 'call me out' if you like.' I would suggest you have a clue what your talking about first though. To clarify UHS is not a FTB modpack. It is just a pack that is distributed through our launcher.

yeah JakJ, ive already PM'ed Cheapshot about that. I will leave it for cheapshot to make the entire content ot the PM public if he chooses to, I have no objection to it.

wow tha was sooooo bad i will rty to fix that with help I am being laughed at right now

K so am about 15-20 minutes into a sleeping tablet. sooo this post may be a bit weird or something. Things to debate while we wait for Kakermix to get settled in and catch up. Who is the biggest doochback on here today. 1) Slowpoke101 for the most epic troll in history 3) Loorollthos for doing whatever he did on Youtube and silently disappearing into the misty nighty nighty. 3) JakJ for weing well almost human 4) Kakermix For not having settled in already and be itching to join in our little frey. 5) Darth Moogl for well being a Moogle. I wouldnt hold much hope on the Mod API being a cure all fix to a mods life and installing mods. I think I will leave that comment till I am awake befoe justifying that. Interoperability is the holy grail for the end user, I dont think we will ever get there. But as long as we all at least tring to get there. then wewill endeavor onwards into the breach my friends, we shall neva! surrender blah de blah blah blah; yippeekayay meme wow dizzy.

I am sorry, could you please point me to somewhere I have said I have ALL the mod authors on a teamspeak channel, that is incorrect and I will fix it. I most certainly do not speak to all the mod makers, however I do consider a lot of them to be friends. I am not sure what you want from me in this regard though, its common knowledge I play on the pahicraft server. It is also common knowledge that I am an admin on the direwolf20 IRC. You want a list of the devs I am in regular contact with, um OK I suppose. I have close ties to Eloraam, Covert Jaguar, CPW, DaStormbringer, Lex Manos, Odedex, Overmind, RichardG and Player, Searge from MCP, Sengir and Krapht of course. Tahg is an active member of the FTB team. Pahimar and Xen0phobe (although Xeno isnt around much any more) Chicken Bones, iChun, xComp, VSWE, immibis, Azanor, (to the best of my knowledge I am the only person pre-approved for Thaumcraft 3).. Do you need me to carry on dropping names or is this enough. I am pretty sure that every single person on that list with only one exception is regularly on the Teamspeak channel I run. This is by no means a complete list, just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. So yeah, I think it is fair to say that my knowledge of the viewpoints of the mod developers is more accurate than pretty much anybody on this forum. So now I have answered your questions, please do me the courtesy of answering mine. 1) What information was it that I 'probably' shared with DocM was incorrect. 2) What are the 'Many' counts that I was proven wrong on? 3) Where is this discussion that I started on this forum? 4) who is the troll here I haven't finished by the way 5) I ask again, what facts am I misrepresenting. These are genuine questions, if you can provide answers to any of them, I will happily in public acknowledge them. Also if I have in any way misrepresented the facts, I will also happily correct them in public. I am going to finish this post on a final note. What happens with me from here on out is directly down to you. Personally I do not care what happens, I am placing this in your hands. If it remains your belief Lothos that I am going behind technics back misrepresenting them and If you genuinely believe the information you have posted. Then I am happy to take your word for it and I will withdraw myself from any further negotiations between technic and the mod developers. However, if you come to the decision that you have publicly misrepresented me and my actions, I will happily accept a public apology both here and on the relevent youtube thread from DocM's video. I will take a none answer that your viewpoint hasn't changed. If I am truly as you say Talking trash about technic to people outside of these forums, then I have no business being in the middle of any discussion.

ahhhh so this is where your hiding. I can only guess you are the lothos from the comments on the youtube video. Please feel free to inform me here where I have been proven wrong on multiple occasions on this forum as you state. Waiting with anticipation for your reply unsigned fixed sorry

Genuine question. not being funny at all here but what is the problem with Minecraft Forums policy on permissions and how they go about it. I see Cheapshot mentioning a copyright thread but the only thing I have found is the rules thread that has a link to the creative commons licence page. No recommendations about which one people should use or anything, just a link to the page. The only comment I see them making is that you must display some sort of licence. I dont really intend to start a debate here, just looking to be pointed in the right direction. http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum-57/announcement-54-mapping-and-modding-section-specific-rules-and-information-8242012/ Link I found that had copyright info.

Be the only modpack on the block, god I hope thats never the case. TBH though I rather feel most of the people here already know this isn't the case. If I wanted FTB to be the only mod pack out there, the last thing I would want to do is in any way help out with Technic. Also I have already had a few other mod pack authors come to me asking for help with permissions and where possible I have helped them out. The FTB mod pack will be very specific in what type of people it is aimed at. I certainly have no intention of catering to a huge proportion of the existing mods and that is where other packs will come in. Hell I helped one pack today that was essentially the same as the pack we are doing get permissions for a couple of mods they were missing. As long as each pack offers something slightly different to the others then there is plenty of room for whole load of mod packs out there.

See this is where I start to get frustrated, this is not the first time someone has made a post that just totally ignores what I am saying and its not like I am not being completely clear with this. So Lothos starts off with This is followed by me saying This leads us onto Lothos with Firstly I quite clearly state that you are entitled to an opinion so I do not presume to think anything remotely like you being untitled to an opinion and secondly, just because you were happy to see your mod used in a mod pack, which by the way was in a totally different game, does not therefore lead us to the position that every other developer should feel the same. You were happy to give up your rights to your mods, others are not and that is a decision that needs to be respected, whether or not one agrees with it. Finally for this thread, time means nothing to me. The admin team here can take as little or as much time as they like. Technic changing the way they do things has absolutely no impact on me one way or the other. I am not here participating in this thread for any reason other than I may be in a position to help out and it costs me nothing to do so other than a few FTB fans grumbling about helping technic (and those grumbles tend to disappear once they understand why). No matter what happens with this thread, the FTB mod pack will be coming out. If only because our maps for 1.3 and going forwards are going to be designed around a very specific group of mods and they are not all in technic pack. Also There are some features that our launcher will have in the future that are not native in the technic launcher. This doesnt mean though that there isn't room for more than one legit pack out there, and it would still be cool to see the arguments that exist with the technic launcher just well go away for good.

Because its not often on an internet forum where you find people willing to look at more than their own side of a discussion.

Cheapshot, if you read this dont worry about it. I just enjoy picking holes in posts. It helps to pass the time. Soooo Lothos. 1 permissions Yeah maybe do a little fact checking before you go around posting anywhere eh? Your like a republican candidate, just invent facts to fit your distorted world. Thats what I did, not really having any background knowledge of when technic became famous/went public etc. I went and checked very quicky. A 2 minute search of the internet led me to https://yogscast.com/showthread.php?35909-Technic-now-has-its-own-website-technicpack-net A cursory look at the dates, show us that the technic forums went live on or around the 8th Nov 2011. So the technic pack was being distributed outside of the Something Aweful Forums at that point at least. For them to have built a website, I can only assume at this point they had a least a few people outside of the private circles using the pack. So lets take another quick look at that post on the IC2 forums. http://forum.industrial-craft.net/index.php?page=Thread&postID=28356#post28356 The IC2 posts appear to be dated late December, so at the very least a full month after they took the pack public (and probably a bit longer.) In other words technic was not the private little mod pack any more when those comments were made. Moving on, I have no idea where your information comes from. But FTB's drive to get permissions had absolutely nothing to do with technic, tekkit, or any other mod pack and everything to do with the fact that pretty much every mod that was used in the original FTB was developed by a mod developer that was logging in daily to the direwolf20 IRC channel where I happened to be an admin. In other words I had no choice really. Funnily enough the original maps didnt come with a mod pack, but more of a config pack kind of like the way Direwolf20 did it. The mod pack came later and even then it was only really designed to be used in conjunction with the FTB map. Moving on to your comments about respect. You are completely entitled to your opinion on what is or is not showing respect. However until you have written a mod and that mod has been used in a mod pack without your consent, then it really has no bearing on this thread now does it. Moving onto SimpleGuy This forum and more importantly this thread actually surprised me (oh and much more importantly not just me) Through the course of 10 pages, I could actually feel the shift in attitudes, it was only a slight movement, but it was certainly perceptible. Especially from the moment Cheap Shot stepped into the mix and got involved. I have no idea if this thread will end up going anywhere. I have to say right now if I am completely honest about it, my money would be on it will die with this thread. The things technic are being asked to do carry some risk and certainly mean the pack would be weakened before it got stronger. However I have been wrong in the past and I truely hope I am going to be wrong here. I wouldnt say I have had universal support for what I have written in this thread from devs. But I certainly havent had anyone come and flat out say no, never going to happen either. As a final note to Lothos, I saw that comment you made about an imagined dig aimed at Technic. Sorry, yet again it had absolutely nothing to do with Technic and everything to do with peoples perceptions of modpacks. However you may or may not have noticed but that line you didnt like was removed shortly after you made that comment. Just because I recognised at the time that it MAY have been perceived incorrectly.

It doesnt add any fuel to the fire tbh. This was explained by cheapshot a couple of days ago. Right now this post is kind of on hold until Kakermix returns and decisions made as to how the Technic admin team want to proceed.

Just to confirm that is the real CPW.

Absolutely. The point I wanted to highlight when I spoke about Sengir, wasnt about what happened in the past, but more about what the future may hold. Maybe it might help to focus on the fact that he was happy for me to state that given the right circumstances it is not beyond the realms of imagination here that Sengir would change his mind. Right I think for now I am going to drop out of this conversation. I will still be watching but I believe I have put across all the points I wanted to get across and I thank the people who have taken the time to read and respond to the points I have made. I have made it pretty clear what I would need to see if I was to get involved in this in any way shape or form. If the technic admins decide this is something they want to try and they take steps to make something like this happen, then I will be happy to do what I can to help out. quick edit, that has been tried noonespecial. I know this sounds silly to a lot of you but there is a huge proportion of people that do not even know how to locate their minecraft folder, and they certainly dont want to go through the hassle of downloading individual mods. Mod packs are a good idea for a reason when they are done right.

Warpspeed I have to say this, but your entire thread falls down when you say You see Sengir never insisted on anything of the sort. I have had consent to distribute Forestry for quite a while now and I am not the only one. Also whilst for you the end user Minecraft is 'just' a game. For people like Sengir I can assure you it is not just some Game, Forestry is a project that he sinks a huge amount of his personal time into. Minecraft modding in general is something that he sinks a huge amount of personal time into. Remember as well as Forestry he is a co maintainer of Buildcraft amongst other things.