Kruziik_Kel Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 well Ive been planing on upgrading my 5 year old zoostorm for a while now and now ive got round to doing it its just got confusing. Aim: bring the thing up to a better spec and be able to run minecraft on a X64/X128 TP (Sphax to be specific) on far render (Using optifine) without horrible FPS sounds easy? Well I had a look around and found a Mobo that cant decide what socket its got? The offender just 2 examples http://www.asus.com/...#specifications http://www.play.com/...00|prd:30298100 between that and knowing nothing about Graphics cards (Other than integrated are crap and intel are the worst) Anyone want to offer assistance? Budget looking to come in as cheap as possible preferably without a CPU upgrade id say around £150 (not looking for much) Current Specs Mobo http://www.foxconnch...&U=en-us0000220 Graphics Intel 82945G (Integrated) CPU http://www.cpu-world...X80553925).html RAM http://www.amazon.co...47385181&sr=1-2 PSU 250 watt dont know what brand OS (if it matters) Vista home premium Im looking for a DDR3 mobo and 8GB of ram (Id have that sorted but well with the socket issues) a new PSU depending on GPU can get a good deal on a Corsair 430 Watt (probably a 650 too) as I said low budget as cheep as possible I just dont have a clue could be persuaded to change CPU dont have a clue how though so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFly Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 well Ive been planing on upgrading my 5 year old zoostorm for a while now and now ive got round to doing it its just got confusing. Aim: bring the thing up to a better spec and be able to run minecraft on a X64/X128 TP (Sphax to be specific) on far render (Using optifine) without horrible FPS sounds easy? Well I had a look around and found a Mobo that cant decide what socket its got? The offender just 2 examples http://www.asus.com/...#specifications http://www.play.com/...00|prd:30298100 between that and knowing nothing about Graphics cards (Other than integrated are crap and intel are the worst) Anyone want to offer assistance? Budget looking to come in as cheap as possible preferably without a CPU upgrade id say around £150 (not looking for much) Current Specs Mobo http://www.foxconnch...&U=en-us0000220 Graphics Intel 82945G (Integrated) CPU http://www.cpu-world...X80553925).html RAM http://www.amazon.co...47385181&sr=1-2 PSU 250 watt dont know what brand OS (if it matters) Vista home premium Im looking for a DDR3 mobo and 8GB of ram (Id have that sorted but well with the socket issues) a new PSU depending on GPU can get a good deal on a Corsair 430 Watt (probably a 650 too) as I said low budget as cheep as possible I just dont have a clue could be persuaded to change CPU dont have a clue how though so.. DUUUUDE you need to upgrade that shit. Invest on making a good computer. The computer case and processor are what cost the most. Get an intel i5 and a decent case with a good nvidia and also a good monitor, 8 gigs of ram and some other stuff. Probably around 500-900 dollars so not as expensive as those shitty alienwares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 DUUUUDE you need to upgrade that shit. Invest on making a good computer. The computer case and processor are what cost the most. Get an intel i5 and a decent case with a good nvidia and also a good monitor, 8 gigs of ram and some other stuff. Probably around 500-900 dollars so not as expensive as those shitty alienwares. as much as I apretiate the reply I dont think you quite understand I dont need high end just an upgrade preferably without a new CPU all I need to do is run MC well on a x64/x128 (sphax to be specific) on far render and perform well for general home use (Does that now could use more ram hence the new mobo and 8GB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse95 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I would recommend getting Windows 7, it should help your computer preform a bit better. And get a bit more RAM, if you cannot get 16 gigs or 8 gigs at least try for 6 gigs. I am not sure how much RAM Technic uses, but if you have 6gb you should be all set. I'll even go as far to say that 4gb is enough, not too sure about 2gb though, it's borderline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 I would recommend getting Windows 7, it should help your computer preform a bit better. And get a bit more RAM, if you cannot get 16 gigs or 8 gigs at least try for 6 gigs. I am not sure how much RAM Technic uses, but if you have 6gb you should be all set. I'll even go as far to say that 4gb is enough, not too sure about 2gb though, it's borderline. I was having a look at 7 never been a fan of Vista if I can find a copy cheap enough or if a mate has a copy with a working license... like I said going for a new DDR3 Mobo and 8 Gig if I can CPU may cause problems though :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningCake Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hah, I had a laughing fit when I saw the 2GB of RAM. If your budgets not tight, you can make a well-off desktop computer yourself that will be more than capable of running games like Minecraft/Technic. EDIT: Instead of integrated graphics, I would try to get a separate video card. It can do wonders for FPS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hah, I had a laughing fit when I saw the 2GB of RAM. If your budgets not tight, you can make a well-off desktop computer yourself that will be more than capable of running games like Minecraft/Technic. Like I said its an old PC budget is fairly tight id look at about £160 can get a new CPU,GPU,DDR3 Mobo,8GB Ram 1333Mhz and a corsair 430 watt PSU for that but id like to avoid the CPU so about £150 depends really not 100% sure yet its mostly compatibility help I need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningCake Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Like I said its an old PC budget is fairly tight id look at about £160 can get a new CPU,GPU,DDR3 Mobo,8GB Ram 1333Mhz and a corsair 430 watt PSU for that but id like to avoid the CPU so about £150 depends really not 100% sure yet its mostly compatibility help I need Not exactly sure what 160 (is that the symbol for pounds?) is worth in USD. If you want though, you can post some parts here, and I'll try to help with compatibility. Consider I recently built my own $1,500 gaming computer, I should have enough know-how to answer your computer questions too. I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Not exactly sure what 160 (is that the symbol for pounds?) is worth in USD. If you want though, you can post some parts here, and I'll try to help with compatibility. Consider I recently built my own $1,500 gaming computer, I should have enough know-how to answer your computer questions too. I think... yeah thats pounds by current rates about $257 ive tracked down a few parts that I think will work least sure about the Mobo and GPU here is my rough list Mobo Asus P5G41T-M LX DDR3 Ram Komputerbay 8GB (2 X 4GB) DDR3 DIMM (240 pin) 1333Mhz PC3-10600 / PC3-10666 9-9-9-25 1.5v PSU Corsair CX430 Builder Series 430 Watt ATX PS/2 Power Supply Unit (80 PLUS Certified) or similar higher wattage Graphics Nividia all 300 watt I think (work out cheaper) PNY GeForce GT430 700MHz 1GB 1600MHz 128-bit DDR3 Palit GeForce GT440 (1GB, DDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, HDMI, DVI-I, VGA, DirectX 11.0 and OpenGL 4.1 Support, Nvidia PureVideo HD Technology) Palit GeForce GT520 (2GB, PCI-Express 2.0, DDR3, nVIDIA PureVideo HD Technology) or Radeon varying wattage all higher than 300 i think VTX3D 2GB Radeon HD 5450 DDR3 Sapphire 11191-02-20G HD 6570 2GB DDR3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFly Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 as much as I apretiate the reply I dont think you quite understand I dont need high end just an upgrade preferably without a new CPU all I need to do is run MC well on a x64/x128 (sphax to be specific) on far render and perform well for general home use (Does that now could use more ram hence the new mobo and 8GB) Oh get an Inspiron M5030. Costs 400 dollars. Full specs are - Processor: AMD Athlon II P360 Dual Core Processor. 2.30 Gigahertz. RAM and OS: 4.00 gigs of ram and 64 bit windows 7 home premium. GC: Radeon 4250. Runs minecraft like a charm. Amnesia too. Get around 200 Fps with minecraft and about 100 with amnesia the dark descent both on high settings. It would be a worthy investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 Oh get an Inspiron M5030. Costs 400 dollars. Full specs are - Processor: AMD Athlon II P360 Dual Core Processor. 2.30 Gigahertz. RAM and OS: 4.00 gigs of ram and 64 bit windows 7 home premium. GC: Radeon 4250. Runs minecraft like a charm. Amnesia too. Get around 200 Fps with minecraft and about 100 with amnesia the dark descent both on high settings. It would be a worthy investment. Im looking for a desktop rather than a laptop Ill be keeping clear of Dells after the last one thanks for the suggestion though, and its about £500 over here in your money about $804 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix987 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The Corsair PSU is a good choice. I would stay with your current motherboard/RAM and downgrade to XP instead. Vista is manageable with 2GB, but XP flies. Also, get an older high-end video card instead of a newer low-end one. You'll get more out of it, and you won't miss DX11 since you'll be on XP anyway. I'd recommend: XP - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002ORYHKQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A24DFNQD7ZWTJD PSU - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0057GTW56/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE GPU - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002KE2T3K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&smid=A3PICFP2XUOF4A (or if you don't mind noise: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-Geforce-9800GT-Videocard-PCI-Express/dp/B003CMAD6E/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top) Price comes out to £180 before shipping. With the other GPU it's £140 (but be prepared for a jet engine of a computer). For a 128x texture pack, I would look for a minimum of 1GB VRAM. Finally, I'd upgrade that CPU as soon as you get the chance. Even if it's just to a Core 2 Duo/Quad. The old Pentium 4/D architecture is notoriously power inefficient. The E4600 (highest you can go with that mobo) is around £50 on Amazon right now. Performance would see a decent increase, and it would draw less power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XphX Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Pentium? My good lord. 160 pounds is approx 260 dollars. You should really upgrade to 7 (though it is overpriced) or downgrade to XP, just get out of vista. I don't care if it means windows 8, but that's a bad racket to be a part of. If you reaaaaaally don't want a new CPU... GPU - http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=555335&Sku=E145-1564 This fits in your budget and your mobo. Really, consider it. (Last I checked it was out of stock - try to find a similar one.) CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116790&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA Pentium. People are still using pentium. Try talking like that to my i7-2600K. It won't get you far. (On an unrelated note, you link to foxconn? Really?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 The Corsair PSU is a good choice. I would stay with your current motherboard/RAM and downgrade to XP instead. Vista is manageable with 2GB, but XP flies. Also, get an older high-end video card instead of a newer low-end one. You'll get more out of it, and you won't miss DX11 since you'll be on XP anyway. I'd recommend: XP - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002ORYHKQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A24DFNQD7ZWTJD PSU - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0057GTW56/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE GPU - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002KE2T3K/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&smid=A3PICFP2XUOF4A (or if you don't mind noise: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-Geforce-9800GT-Videocard-PCI-Express/dp/B003CMAD6E/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top) Price comes out to £180 before shipping. With the other GPU it's £140 (but be prepared for a jet engine of a computer). For a 128x texture pack, I would look for a minimum of 1GB VRAM. Finally, I'd upgrade that CPU as soon as you get the chance. Even if it's just to a Core 2 Duo/Quad. The old Pentium 4/D architecture is notoriously power inefficient. The E4600 (highest you can go with that mobo) is around £50 on Amazon right now. Performance would see a decent increase, and it would draw less power. I had hoped to go for a larger upgrade i.e. the DDR3 mobo ect but it this would work out better ill have a look ot an XP disk lying around not sue about a license but ill check it you sure one of the more modern cards wouldnt perform better? I would have thought they would have. EDIT Had a look at the loud card one of the reviews mentioned the GTS 450 saying its about 3-4 times better and its cheaper would that work? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Palit-GeForce-Edition-Graphics-Express/dp/B007ZZTP36/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1347486625&sr=8-2 Just checked I think the XP should work don't even know what version it is right enough (got it from a mate with a vista disk (XP wasn't supposed to be there) and it may be less than legit but vista works so can't see an issue just need to figure out which code is XP) Pentium? My good lord. 160 pounds is approx 260 dollars. You should really upgrade to 7 (though it is overpriced) or downgrade to XP, just get out of vista. I don't care if it means windows 8, but that's a bad racket to be a part of. If you reaaaaaally don't want a new CPU... GPU - http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=555335&Sku=E145-1564 This fits in your budget and your mobo. Really, consider it. (Last I checked it was out of stock - try to find a similar one.) CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116790&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA Pentium. People are still using pentium. Try talking like that to my i7-2600K. It won't get you far. (On an unrelated note, you link to foxconn? Really?) Yeah my main issue with the CPU is not knowing how id go about it I can get a few cheap AMD's off eBuyer like this one http://www.ebuyer.com/238329-amd-sempron-145-2-8ghz-45w-socket-am3-retail-boxed-processor-sdx145hbgmbox even with the lower clock id imagine it would be better than my pentium and even then can still get a similar clock http://www.ebuyer.com/353773-amd-athlon-ii-x2-250-3ghz-socket-am3-2mb-l2-cache-oem-adx250ock23gm and I think with shipping that GPU would be a bit expensive to justify it and why not link to foxconn they made the mobo and its the only place I can find specs on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFly Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Im looking for a desktop rather than a laptop Ill be keeping clear of Dells after the last one thanks for the suggestion though, and its about £500 over here in your money about $804 Well I ordered it from best buy (they sell really cheap) and I got that last year so idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 Well I ordered it from best buy (they sell really cheap) and I got that last year so idk its often like that something $300 can cost £400-£500 here even though it should only be about £190 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacrieur Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Minecraft isn't very optimized, but optifine really helps. Texture quality is limited by VRAM (video RAM), so the more RAM you have on your video card, the higher texture quality you can have (that lucrative x512 sphax texture will run you a minimum 2-3 GB VRAM). I run MC just fine with x64 sphax with a sandy bridge Pentium, Radeon 6870, and 4 GB of RAM. Which was a budget build of mine and came with a price tag of less than $500 (£310). That was in Jan/Feb, so the prices have dropped on some of the stuff. You can probably pull your HDD and still use that, so that'll save you a good chunk of money (I spent $120, or £74, on my SSD -- well worth the money but still a good chunk of change). Not having a SSD will affect your performance, since HDDs are terribly slower. This will affect your chunk rendering speeds and loading times, but if you want to be cheap, then we can do that. First thing to do is select a mobo. I'd definitely suggest and Intel chipset, since you're going to want a discreet graphics card there's no reason to get any of AMD's stuff. H61 and H67 are great choices. MSI H61 - $70 (£43) MSI H67 - $90, $75 after rebate (£56, £47 after rebate) If you're really scrounging then go for the H61, but if you don't mind rebates (gotta stay on top of it too), then you can get H67 for a bit more which is only a bit nicer, but well worth the price increase (not required for the build). Next we need a processor to fit in that LGA1155 slot. Which isn't too hard, there's lots of great ones available for a pretty cheap price. The choice is pretty clear, a sandy bridge Pentium is pretty powerful for its price, and fits great in a budget machine (it's way faster than the core 2 duo you have now, that's small potatoes compared to the newer sandy bridge architecture, don't let the clock speeds fool you). The i3 is about 2x more expensive, and you don't really need it to run minecraft well, so just skip it. Intel Sandy Bridge G630 Pentium - $65 (£40) You're definitely going to need a new PSU, your 250W one will sputter out like a solar panel trying to run a miner. The Corsair CX 430 is a nice deal, even has a rebate. If you can get it on sale it's less than $20 (£12). I definitely advocate waiting until you can get it on sale, since you're scrounging. It does make a bit of whining noise, but it's not loud and I can't even hear it over the low hum of my fan, pretty quiet noise, nothing to worry about (and you won't find anything else like it for the same price). CX 430 - $45, $35 after rebate (£28, £22 after rebate) A graphics card is really important, and you won't be able to get a new spangled one, but an older model should do nicely. A radeon 6870 does very nicely for it's price, but you can go down to the 6850 if you want to pay less (I don't think it's as worth it) or go up if you want to pay more for more or less power. XFX Radeon 6870 - $180, $150 after rebate (£112, £93 after rebate) RAM is pretty cheap, and doesn't really matter what kind you grab, but I do prefer Mushkin. The price isn't really different from anything else you find (you can get some for pretty cheap). RAM is limited by your OS, if you have x86 you're only going to be able to stick in 4 GB (enough for me), but if you have x64 you can pretty much have as much as you want. But more on that later. Mushkin DDR3 4GB - $19 (£12) Total: $324 - $399 (£201 - £248) --- And that's pretty much all you'd need, I'd like to see what kind of case you have, if any, to see if we have to get a new one or we can use the existing one. This build is pretty similar to my own (a smidgen more powerful, though). I'd hate to compromise on anything to bring down the price, because it would just sacrifice a lot of power for very little money. You could probably do an AMD build and come up with a lot less without a discreet card, but if you want that x64 sphax and all of the goodies, this is what it will take. You're fine with vista, just keep your stuff clean. If you want 8 GB it's going to cost extra, and you would need x64, which you probably don't have, running you a good sum for a new windows 7 installation. You won't have to reinstall or anything, just plug your old SATA HDD into the new mobo and it'll boot up with all your old stuff on it. --- I don't know what the vista hate is all about. 7 is better, yes, but for a guy that only wants to spend £180 on what needs to be a new computer you sure ask a lot. Especially when there isn't really anything wrong with vista. You can turn off the aero theme and it's not as terrible performance wise as people have been led to believe. All of the permissions can be edited in the control panel if you don't like being asked permission for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 13, 2012 Author Share Posted September 13, 2012 Minecraft isn't very optimized, but optifine really helps. Texture quality is limited by VRAM (video RAM), so the more RAM you have on your video card, the higher texture quality you can have (that lucrative x512 sphax texture will run you a minimum 2-3 GB VRAM). I run MC just fine with x64 sphax with a sandy bridge Pentium, Radeon 6870, and 4 GB of RAM. Which was a budget build of mine and came with a price tag of less than $500 (£310). That was in Jan/Feb, so the prices have dropped on some of the stuff. You can probably pull your HDD and still use that, so that'll save you a good chunk of money (I spent $120, or £74, on my SSD -- well worth the money but still a good chunk of change). Not having a SSD will affect your performance, since HDDs are terribly slower. This will affect your chunk rendering speeds and loading times, but if you want to be cheap, then we can do that. First thing to do is select a mobo. I'd definitely suggest and Intel chipset, since you're going to want a discreet graphics card there's no reason to get any of AMD's stuff. H61 and H67 are great choices. MSI H61 - $70 (£43) MSI H67 - $90, $75 after rebate (£56, £47 after rebate) If you're really scrounging then go for the H61, but if you don't mind rebates (gotta stay on top of it too), then you can get H67 for a bit more which is only a bit nicer, but well worth the price increase (not required for the build). Next we need a processor to fit in that LGA1155 slot. Which isn't too hard, there's lots of great ones available for a pretty cheap price. The choice is pretty clear, a sandy bridge Pentium is pretty powerful for its price, and fits great in a budget machine (it's way faster than the core 2 duo you have now, that's small potatoes compared to the newer sandy bridge architecture, don't let the clock speeds fool you). The i3 is about 2x more expensive, and you don't really need it to run minecraft well, so just skip it. Intel Sandy Bridge G630 Pentium - $65 (£40) You're definitely going to need a new PSU, your 250W one will sputter out like a solar panel trying to run a miner. The Corsair CX 430 is a nice deal, even has a rebate. If you can get it on sale it's less than $20 (£12). I definitely advocate waiting until you can get it on sale, since you're scrounging. It does make a bit of whining noise, but it's not loud and I can't even hear it over the low hum of my fan, pretty quiet noise, nothing to worry about (and you won't find anything else like it for the same price). CX 430 - $45, $35 after rebate (£28, £22 after rebate) A graphics card is really important, and you won't be able to get a new spangled one, but an older model should do nicely. A radeon 6870 does very nicely for it's price, but you can go down to the 6850 if you want to pay less (I don't think it's as worth it) or go up if you want to pay more for more or less power. XFX Radeon 6870 - $180, $150 after rebate (£112, £93 after rebate) RAM is pretty cheap, and doesn't really matter what kind you grab, but I do prefer Mushkin. The price isn't really different from anything else you find (you can get some for pretty cheap). RAM is limited by your OS, if you have x86 you're only going to be able to stick in 4 GB (enough for me), but if you have x64 you can pretty much have as much as you want. But more on that later. Mushkin DDR3 4GB - $19 (£12) Total: $324 - $399 (£201 - £248) --- And that's pretty much all you'd need, I'd like to see what kind of case you have, if any, to see if we have to get a new one or we can use the existing one. This build is pretty similar to my own (a smidgen more powerful, though). I'd hate to compromise on anything to bring down the price, because it would just sacrifice a lot of power for very little money. You could probably do an AMD build and come up with a lot less without a discreet card, but if you want that x64 sphax and all of the goodies, this is what it will take. You're fine with vista, just keep your stuff clean. If you want 8 GB it's going to cost extra, and you would need x64, which you probably don't have, running you a good sum for a new windows 7 installation. You won't have to reinstall or anything, just plug your old SATA HDD into the new mobo and it'll boot up with all your old stuff on it. --- I don't know what the vista hate is all about. 7 is better, yes, but for a guy that only wants to spend £180 on what needs to be a new computer you sure ask a lot. Especially when there isn't really anything wrong with vista. You can turn off the aero theme and it's not as terrible performance wise as people have been led to believe. All of the permissions can be edited in the control panel if you don't like being asked permission for everything. Thanks for the reply dont know about that kind of scale of upgrade as is obvious im going as cheap as I can get most critical being the GPU and PSU may get round to other upgrades over time looking at my options with the corsair if I drop to XP (Vista is ok but honestly with the lesser ram usage its probably better) and I think not 100% sure http://www.amazon.co.uk/Palit-GeForce-Graphics-Express-Support/dp/B00510LDR8 this or its 1GB counterpart could handle my plans for it should be able to run x64 on both easy x128 on the 2GB I think can anyone advise on that? just to demonstrate my current intigrated unit with the x32 and lots of settings turned way down 9 FPS.......... and far from stable also on x32 with all animations except tools off along with everything else 20 FPS and its stable this time odd 1 or 2 unit fluctuation ill be happy if I cant hit a stable 30 or 40 and far with some good settings and random mobs back on EDIT thought id throw this one in taken on the settings I would like (short on the dynamic animations only) 10 FPS by no means stable but being on the move on much higher settings than the first getting higher FPS? think its to do with having it on far and less chunk's being loaded as a result top tip there turn everything but render down for better FPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacrieur Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Well I tell you what you can do to really improve performance. Just buy the graphics card and PSU. That should give you the boost you need and keep you under budget. You definitely don't want to compromise on the video card -- trust me on this and thank me later. Don't worry about the chunk updates, once your FPS is high enough it won't seem to be as much of a problem. FPS won't affect chunk update speed. XP uses less RAM, but you can turn off some useless windows features to drop down the usage. All you have to make sure is that MC is the only thing running. I sometimes have SC2 and MC up at the same time and still have RAM to spare with a mere 4GB. You should be fine. Just graphics card and power supply. They're compatible with what you have and should breathe some new life into your system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 13, 2012 Author Share Posted September 13, 2012 Well I tell you what you can do to really improve performance. Just buy the graphics card and PSU. That should give you the boost you need and keep you under budget. You definitely don't want to compromise on the video card -- trust me on this and thank me later. Don't worry about the chunk updates, once your FPS is high enough it won't seem to be as much of a problem. FPS won't affect chunk update speed. XP uses less RAM, but you can turn off some useless windows features to drop down the usage. All you have to make sure is that MC is the only thing running. I sometimes have SC2 and MC up at the same time and still have RAM to spare with a mere 4GB. You should be fine. Just graphics card and power supply. They're compatible with what you have and should breathe some new life into your system. thanks, found a few possible GPU's quite a few cheap radeons and a few Nvidia's (mostly the ones here) PSU is basicly sorted as a Corsair builder either 430 or 600 watt may go for a modular enthusiast 550 if money is good just the GPU now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacrieur Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Well looking at this now, I guess we could just shell all of it on a graphics card and PSU. Your performance will go up pretty substantially. The 430W is great, the 600W is unneeded and so is the 550W modular. But if you can get them for the same price do it. I took a gander at some higher priced graphics cards and found a beauty on sale. Radeon 6950 2GB - $195, $185 after rebate (£121, £115 after rebate) I'm not sure if the rebates apply to you or anything, but trust me this card is totally worth the price. With 2 GB of VRAM you'll be able to play the 128x sphax with nice frame-rates. This card outperforms the 6870 by a significant amount. That graphics card you picked out wouldn't be able to handle 64x sphax very well, I think. It's going to take a 6850 or 6770 at least to break 25-30 fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruziik_Kel Posted September 14, 2012 Author Share Posted September 14, 2012 Well looking at this now, I guess we could just shell all of it on a graphics card and PSU. Your performance will go up pretty substantially. The 430W is great, the 600W is unneeded and so is the 550W modular. But if you can get them for the same price do it. I took a gander at some higher priced graphics cards and found a beauty on sale. Radeon 6950 2GB - $195, $185 after rebate (£121, £115 after rebate) I'm not sure if the rebates apply to you or anything, but trust me this card is totally worth the price. With 2 GB of VRAM you'll be able to play the 128x sphax with nice frame-rates. This card outperforms the 6870 by a significant amount. That graphics card you picked out wouldn't be able to handle 64x sphax very well, I think. It's going to take a 6850 or 6770 at least to break 25-30 fps. just had a look at those the 6950 is expensive over here depending on which it is between 130 and £200 http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=radeon hd 6950&tag=googhydr-21&index=computers&hvadid=14381816396&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=45387579194217917&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&ref=pd_sl_236yl6w4dn_e others are fairly close in price but im sure I can dig up a cheap one EDIT just wanted to ask a few details on the GTS 450 found the 2Gb for cheap and from waht ive heard it should do well had a look at those AND's the £6850 comes out at between £100 and £130 and the DDR3 version of the 6770 comes out at about £100 the GTS is only £66 is it worth it? also this 6570 any good? http://www.ebuyer.com/265343-sapphire-hd-6570-2gb-ddr3-dvi-vga-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-card-11191-02-20g EDIT 2 thanks for all the help but it looks like its going to require a new PC and well thats raised my budget http://www.acer.co.uk/ac/en/GB/content/model/PT.SDEE2.159 dont know if its going to happen but whats the thoughts on the specs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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