Xylord Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 The elections are coming up pretty soon, and even though I don't live in the U.S., I am following them very closely. First, I'd recommend you to take this test, it can be pretty eye-opening. http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz Now, who are you voting for? Why? Personally, I support Democrats, because I know the Green party will never be elected and I disagree with the republicans in every issue. What about you? No excess of trolling/derailing here, I'd welcome a serious discussion for once. Alas, before making your decision, watch this : Also, I am biased against the right-wing, and I assume it.
SimpleGuy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I'm unaffiliated. I dislike the Republican party's stance on social issues. I dislike the Democratic party's stance on economic issues. I dislike the Green party because they're absolutely block-headed and ignorant when it comes to nuclear power. All in all, people who supported SOPA already have a huge negative strike against them when it comes to my vote.
Xylord Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 I'm unaffiliated. I dislike the Republican party's stance on social issues. I dislike the Democratic party's stance on economic issues. I dislike the Green party because they're absolutely block-headed and ignorant when it comes to nuclear power. All in all, people who supported SOPA already have a huge negative strike against them when it comes to my vote. Fair enough. And I'm too pretty strongly influenced by the whole SOPA case. Every time the Senate opens its mouth, it seems to lose more credibility. If it still has some. I'm a silly and young French Canadian though, so I can't help but put social issues higher in my priority scale, explaining my support of the democrats. But to be perfectly honest, "your" left-wing party would be considered pretty right-wingy on our side of North America. ...And somehow, I'm absolutely not surprised you're personally influenced by the party's position on nuclear power... Mmmh, but I wonder where I get this feeling? :D
ErusPrime Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I'm not voting until 2020 when I run as a write-in. The US Government is a failure of democracy and has failed its own constitution. I don't support anyone right now. Maybe Jill Stein but she's a little too hardcore green for me.
Jay? Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I'd love to think of myself as independent, but the reality is that every time there's an election, i can't find a single right leaning candidate that i can agree with. I do take the time to try though. I mean, granted i've only been consciously aware of three elections, and only old enough to vote in two of them. For reference i took that quiz, and it gave me 91% on Jill Stein (After the nonsense from the third debate though, i couldn't vote for her in good conscience even if i thought a win was possible), and 89% with Obama. 13% for romney, which really isn't surprising to me. Keep in mind folks, that this quiz only measures priorities, and not histories and conveniently leaves out questions about how effective you think a certain candidate may be.
Xylord Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 I'm not voting until 2020 when I run as a write-in. The US Government is a failure of democracy and has failed its own constitution. I don't support anyone right now. Maybe Jill Stein but she's a little too hardcore green for me. Eh. Sometimes I am pretty glad I was born in Canada. We're not perfect, but I have a lot of difficulty not to be frustrated by United-Statian politics. I'd love to think of myself as independent, but the reality is that every time there's an election, i can't find a single right leaning candidate that i can agree with. I do take the time to try though. I mean, granted i've only been consciously aware of three elections, and only old enough to vote in two of them. Eh, you have more virtue than, I barely even try. Sometimes there's the odd one who's pro-choice, or who does believe climate changes were provoked by humanity, but he's quickly shut off by the others.
LazDude2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I lean right personally and religiously, but am centre-left politically, simply because I'm not here to push my viewpoints on anyone. If I was voting, I wouldn't. There's no good choices here in 'Murica, just a bad choice and a worse choice.
Jay? Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Oh also, be warned, I'm watching this thread like a hawk. Feel free to express your opinions civilly, but if things turn nasty, i WILL put the kibosh on it.
LazDude2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Understandable; nothing starts more flamewars than politics. I think the real problem is that both sides, Reps and Dems alike, are both in the pockets of big coprorations.
GreenWolf13 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I took that quiz thing that xylord linked too. Not suprised at my results. I'm extremely right wing on most issues, and I'm also a devout Roman Catholic. http://www.isidewith.com/results/202935353
Jay? Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Understandable; nothing starts more flamewars than politics. I think the real problem is that both sides, Reps and Dems alike, are both in the pockets of big coprorations. There's that, but there are myriad other problems, not just the one. Corporate money and gifts filtering about in congress comes to mind. My biggest problem with U.S. Politics is really how hard it is to gauge what a candidates actual policies are going to be. The whole year before a big election is chock full of people lying through their teeth, telling people just what they want to hear, and I'm sure that at least a third of it is true. But you never know who's telling the truth, and who's in desperate need of new trousers.
Jorcer Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I took the quiz but I don't think I will post the results here... Too much info about me to feel comfortable with that. I side with Romney mostly due to the fact that I have a large personal investment in the Keystone Pipeline and agree with him on most (non-religious based) policies. There's that, but there are myriad other problems, not just the one. Corporate money and gifts filtering about in congress comes to mind. My biggest problem with U.S. Politics is really how hard it is to gauge what a candidates actual policies are going to be. The whole year before a big election is chock full of people lying through their teeth, telling people just what they want to hear, and I'm sure that at least a third of it is true. But you never know who's telling the truth, and who's in desperate need of new trousers. The thing that I find the hardest to understand is the complete polarization of the system. This happens to a lesser degree here in Canada but in the states it is mind blowing how polarized the two major parties are. It seems like, in most cases, they will take opposing views just to be on the other side of the opposition.
Xylord Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 Oh also, be warned, I'm watching this thread like a hawk. Feel free to express your opinions civilly, but if things turn nasty, i WILL put the kibosh on it. No worries Jay?, No excess of trolling/derailing here, I'd welcome a serious discussion for once. I've taken my precautions, and I'll be keeping the debate fair and square. Understandable; nothing starts more flamewars than politics. I think the real problem is that both sides, Reps and Dems alike, are both in the pockets of big coprorations. *AHEM*OIL*AHEM*
ErusPrime Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Not just oil. That's the easy one. The natural progression of this government should be towards a semi socialist structure where everyone is working for everyone instead of just themselves. It's the only logical way to actually provide for millions of people and maintain a strong global economic presence. Plato told us Democracy was crap in "The Republic" Alexis De Tocqueville said that US Democracy could only serve as a temporary government. I wish I lived in Canada. You have hot chicks and poutine. and parking garage capture the flag. and giant pillow fights.
Jorcer Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I wish I lived in Canada. You have hot chicks and poutine. and parking garage capture the flag. and giant pillow fights. And free healthcare... ;)
Xylord Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 Not just oil. That's the easy one. The natural progression of this government should be towards a semi socialist structure where everyone is working for everyone instead of just themselves. It's the only logical way to actually provide for millions of people and maintain a strong global economic presence. Plato told us Democracy was crap in "The Republic" Alexis De Tocqueville said that US Democracy could only serve as a temporary government. I wish I lived in Canada. You have hot chicks and poutine. and parking garage capture the flag. and giant pillow fights. Heh, if you're probably aware of it, but I doubt US will drop it's "capitalism-trip" any time soon. Anyway, Canada is mostly great, I have to admit. We also have polar bears, don't forget our favorite pets. And free healthcare... There's that too, but I'm hopeful United-Statians can get it in less than five years from now.
bwillb Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 For reference i took that quiz, and it gave me 91% on Jill Stein (After the nonsense from the third debate though, i couldn't vote for her in good conscience even if i thought a win was possible), and 89% with Obama. I got similar results. I'm voting for Jill Stein specifically because a win won't happen. She probably wouldn't make the greatest president, but if the party can get enough of the vote (I think it's 5%?) they get better consideration in future elections. Romney's going to win my state no matter who I vote for, so I might as well think forward.
Jay? Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I got similar results. I'm voting for Jill Stein specifically because a win won't happen. She probably wouldn't make the greatest president, but if the party can get enough of the vote (I think it's 5%?) they get better consideration in future elections. Romney's going to win my state no matter who I vote for, so I might as well think forward. I actually disagree. Jill Stein wouldn't make a good president. I agree with her on almost every topic, but she talks a lot about how awful everyone else is and never seems to release any substantial information about her actual policies.
bwillb Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I actually disagree. Jill Stein wouldn't make a good president. I agree with her on almost every topic, but she talks a lot about how awful everyone else is and never seems to release any substantial information about her actual policies. You didn't really disagree with me... I agree that she wouldn't be the best president, but the party viewpoints are worth promoting to gain further consideration.
Mooseman9 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 The natural progression of this government should be towards a semi socialist structure where everyone is working for everyone instead of just themselves. It's the only logical way to actually provide for millions of people and maintain a strong global economic presence. This aggravates me to no end. America should be moving more towards capitalism, as it is the only system that actually works. Communism, socialism, and all the other cooky notions of how to run a government have all been tried, and all have failed. I don't see why people would still want to move toward them. There is no way to reach a utopian society, because you have to take into account that people are assholes. With capitalism, people need to provide for themselves, which is what America was founded on, and not get benefits from the government, especially not for people who don't even try to look for jobs. If capitalism was put in place, you would see a substantial rise in the number of jobs, as long as the government keeps out of everything, unlike they do now. Once people start working, and see their paychecks being heavily taxed to give to someone who doesn't even look for a job, they are discouraged. If the government was smaller, and less taxes were implemented, then they would see a rise in their pay, causing them to work more. This would make the economy grow, and it would make the United States a better nation overall. We should also increase funding to our military, and get rid of the Obamacare crap that is going to be put in place. The current system works, and most people, even the ones who passed it, don't even know what is inside Obamacare. Overall, a more capitalist America is a stronger America. Look what's happening over in East Europe. Some countries (Poland to name one) there have adopted capitalism, and they are now stronger than ever. Overall, Republican for me = good. Democrats = bad. And also a final point: Global Warming doesn't exist. It's a huge scam and Al Gore is making millions off it. I took the test and sided 92% with Mitt Romney.
Sacrieur Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 We're about half a century to a century behind Scandinavia in terms of economic/cultural development. I say we have a lot of work ahead of us. It's my intention to leave America once I get my PhD. I have no desire to work in a society that is so far behind, or even one that Mooseman9 describes (perhaps especially). Further, it's ultimate goal of humanity, I think, that to thrive we need a purpose and not a paycheck. I side fairly heavily with Gary Johnson, but not terribly far away from Obama, as well. I have a little bit of compassion for the guy because with healthcare, it's really helping people, and looking people in the eye and telling them they're going to die when it's in your power to help them? Yeah, that's tough, and I know he's visited plenty of people who would benefit from nationalized healthcare, so he's got the experience.
Kocken926 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 We're about half a century to a century behind Scandinavia in terms of economic/cultural development. I say we have a lot of work ahead of us. It's my intention to leave America once I get my PhD. Beware if you come to fennoscandia; winter is a bitch. According to the test I side to 83% with a "Jill Stein", although I disagree with most of her rambling. Oh, and with risk of making people angry: if you seriously believe that richer people should get lower taxes, your kind of attitude is one of the biggest contributors to America being the mess it is today.
Xylord Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 This aggravates me to no end. America should be moving more towards capitalism, as i t is the only system that actually works. Communism, socialism, and all the other cooky notions of how to run a government have all been tried, and all have failed. I don't see why people would still want to move toward them. There is no way to reach a utopian society, because you have to take into account that people are assholes. With capitalism, people need to provide for themselves, which is what America was founded on, and not get benefits from the government, especially not for people who don't even try to look for jobs. If capitalism was put in place, you would see a substantial rise in the number of jobs, as long as the government keeps out of everything, unlike they do now. Once people start working, and see their paychecks being heavily taxed to give to someone who doesn't even look for a job, they are discouraged. If the government was smaller, and less taxes were implemented, then they would see a rise in their pay, causing them to work more. This would make the economy grow, and it would make the United States a better nation overall. We should also increase funding to our military, and get rid of the Obamacare crap that is going to be put in place. The current system works, and most people, even the ones who passed it, don't even know what is inside Obamacare. Overall, a more capitalist America is a stronger America. Look what's happening over in East Europe. Some countries (Poland to name one) there have adopted capitalism, and they are now stronger than ever. Overall, Republican for me = good. Democrats = bad. And also a final point: Global Warming doesn't exist. It's a huge scam and Al Gore is making millions off it. I took the test and sided 92% with Mitt Romney. I won't comment your political opinion, since we're obviously on the two opposed sides of the spectrum. But on the topic of Global Warming, this might be a joke, but in case it isn't, I strongly recommend you to read some of the wikipedia article written on the subject, it's pretty detailed and well-made. Also, I'm just curious, do you believe in the theory of evolution?
Hushful Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I'm not voting this year. I'm tired of having to choose the lesser of two evils. The president should not be the shiniest of two turds.
Mooseman9 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 I won't comment your political opinion, since we're obviously on the two opposed sides of the spectrum. But on the topic of Global Warming, this might be a joke, but in case it isn't, I strongly recommend you to read some of the wikipedia article written on the subject, it's pretty detailed and well-made. Also, I'm just curious, do you believe in the theory of evolution? Yes, I do believe in the theory of evolution, it is pretty much proven already. I do believe in God though, so it ties in with my religious views. As in, I believe that God put creatures on the earth, that evolved into the humans we see today.
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