What's the Problem?! [Rant]

[Sehtey]

Okay, so after reading the BTW Joke thread and having a good few lols I've realised something fairly serious and saddening.

People really seem to hate other people assisting them.

Is it because they feel they should be completely independent? Do they feel they should be the sole name in everyone's head for their hard work and effort? No, they're quite simply pretentious and self centred. The biggest thing that really gets me about these people, is that they spend so much of their time working on a particular thing, and then when someone else distributes it (Giving them credit, this is NOT in any way to be confused with me condoning plagiarism; at all!) they go batshit crazy complaining to both other modders and fans alike. It's downright fucking mad. What's more, is when they try and cover their asses with obvious bullshit.

Taken from the Minecraft Forums Topic "Better Than Wolves Mod" Page 902

"Far from it. The mod-pack never had the permission of any of the mod-authors involved to include their mods and kaker has absolutely refused to remove any mod at an author's request. It's basically come across as a big FU to modders from the start, as did the the Yogscast promoting it, and I'm not the only one that took it that way (although I may be the most vocal in speaking out about it)."

Firstly, even if Kaker did not have permission, as long as Kaker cites the sources the mods are from, provides a link to said modders thread and says in an obvious way that it was created by said modder and provides some kind of support for that modder, there is no way that it's bad. I fail to see the problem with making a modpack and then providing a way for people to see whom made it, as well as see how great it is when combined with other mods.

Secondly, how can a video spotlight containing YOUR mod, promoting YOUR mod, and even giving YOUR mod popularity be a big fuck you to modders? That's like saying someone drinking a can of Pepsi in a video game is a big fuck you to the company behind Pepsi. It's purely advertising, that is all.

This is just a short rant, really. I'm unbiased in this scenario, I use Technic every now and then but it isn't my main use of minecraft (It runs pretty slow on my laptop and it's in more a "Modern, Industrialised" direction. Whereas I personally prefer a RPG Style Minecraft. (Well, more medieval than RPG style since I've tried that ridiculous mod out and I personally despise it) However, without this modpack I would be completely oblivious to ComputerCraft and RedPower. I just think FlowChild's personal attacks on Eloraam are stupid, arrogant, and very obnoxious. He's purely jealous of her skill from what I can see, if anyone has any proof to debunk my opinion, please share it. I'd rather be embarrassed and informed than self righteous and misinformed. My quick question is that I've read the Forestry modder deliberately broke compatibility with Technic, is this true?

[Valkon]

The problem is that these are the kind of people the MCForums attract.

Their attempts to form a coherent argument are usually not very convincing.

[Sehtey]

I agree, most of their arguments are either based upon flawed logic and they spout their opinions as fact or misinformation. I don't know whether to be angry or sad tbh.

EDIT: I keep reading all this talk of Kaker and the like using mods without the permission of the modders, I haven't been following Technic/Tekkit since the beginning but from what i can see this isn't really an issue, they clearly provide support for the mods as well as direct links to the donations page of the modders, I don't see why it's such a big issue because the Technic team take no money from this pack, and host this site and the downloads page at a loss. >_>

[killerx09]

I agree, most of their arguments are either based upon flawed logic and they spout their opinions as fact or misinformation. I don't know whether to be angry or sad tbh.

EDIT: I keep reading all this talk of Kaker and the like using mods without the permission of the modders, I haven't been following Technic/Tekkit since the beginning but from what i can see this isn't really an issue, they clearly provide support for the mods as well as direct links to the donations page of the modders, I don't see why it's such a big issue because the Technic team take no money from this pack, and host this site and the downloads page at a loss. >_>

1TB/day.

That would be enough to blow a hole in any of the modder's budget.

[MechaCrash]

Flowerchild considers a spotlight about his mod to be an attack because he's a fucking psychopath. There's really not much more to it than that.

[Ilan321]

The only person FC likes to do spotlights about BTW is Battosay, and that's only because Battosay implicates that BTW is "the best mod ever". -.-'

[linkthegamer]

Flowerchild considers a spotlight about his mod to be an attack because he's a fucking psychopath. There's really not much more to it than that.

His problem was he took the video as "LOOK AT THIS AWESOME MODPACK BY KAKERMIX" not "LOOK AT THIS AWESOME MODPACK BY KAKERMIX THAT FEATURES AWESOME MODS BY MANY AWESOME MODDERS." (capslocks cause I imagine the FU would be shouted)

I wish that if modders claim they asked for the mod to be removed and it wasn't they would post a snapshot of the email and any reply. If they proved kaker said "Nu uh." when asked to remove a mod I would actually side with them and say "Kaker don't be an ass a remove the mod."

So far the ONLY problems I see with Technic are it lacks some permissions and MIGHT have not removed mods requesting removal. Neither of those are a reason to get panties and manties bunched up. If would be worse if the pack actually made money or the pack says "EVERYTHING MADE BY KAKERMIX". Oh well... some people just like drama.

[jakj]

So far the ONLY problems I see with Technic are it lacks some permissions and MIGHT have not removed mods requesting removal.

I don't consider those problems in the first place. Then again, I am a user, not a maintainer.

[linkthegamer]

I don't consider those problems in the first place. Then again, I am a user, not a maintainer.

I mean problems as in "Things to get upset about". They are not worth the butthurt they are causing though.

[Nphyx]

I place all blame at the foot of the guy who originally came up with the sick notion that you can "own" ideas. I won't go into a history lesson (I could, but I won't) or an economics lesson (ditto) or an ethics lesson (that too). There are plenty of good articles, essays and theses on why copyright is wrong and stupid (I'm a big fan of Stephen Kinsella's work, along with Boldrine and Levine's "Against Intellectual Monopoly" and Cory Doctorow's various utilitarian and pragmatic musings and practical experiments). But let's look at the rhetoric involved here. "Stealing" "mine" "permission". It's all about attempting to control others, to no particular ends, because one has been told one has the moral right to do so.

Nobody has made any serious assertions that anybody has been physically or financially wronged. Nobody can come up with why this is hurting anything (beyond spurious bug reports that the technic guys have repeatedly offered to handle themselves). There aren't even any shakey "but fors" to be had here, since the modders do not stand to gain anything financially and the users do not stand to lose anything. The benefits to everybody - users, modpack creators, the community as a whole - are obvious. No, harm has not been done to anything but their egos, and only because they cling to perverse and barbaric notions of their "rights" and feel the need to assert them. This is just empty moral outrage, aka fucktardery.

[Valkon]

I place all blame at the foot of the guy who originally came up with the sick notion that you can "own" ideas. I won't go into a history lesson (I could, but I won't) or an economics lesson (ditto) or an ethics lesson (that too). There are plenty of good articles, essays and theses on why copyright is wrong and stupid (I'm a big fan of Stephen Kinsella's work, along with Boldrine and Levine's "Against Intellectual Monopoly" and Cory Doctorow's various utilitarian and pragmatic musings and practical experiments). But let's look at the rhetoric involved here. "Stealing" "mine" "permission". It's all about attempting to control others, to no particular ends, because one has been told one has the moral right to do so.

Nobody has made any serious assertions that anybody has been physically or financially wronged. Nobody can come up with why this is hurting anything (beyond spurious bug reports that the technic guys have repeatedly offered to handle themselves). There aren't even any shakey "but fors" to be had here, since the modders do not stand to gain anything financially and the users do not stand to lose anything. The benefits to everybody - users, modpack creators, the community as a whole - are obvious. No, harm has not been done to anything but their egos, and only because they cling to perverse and barbaric notions of their "rights" and feel the need to assert them. This is just empty moral outrage, aka fucktardery.

A shorter version of this I've seen is "Nobody gives two shits if you came up with an idea. They only care about who implements it and who implements it the best."

[jakj]

Direwolf's new spotlight on Forestry 1.4.4.0...the comments are beginning to fill with Technic references. We're famous!

[Nphyx]

A shorter version of this I've seen is "Nobody gives two shits if you came up with an idea. They only care about who implements it and who implements it the best."

Hah. If I owned every good idea I came up with before someone else took it to market I'd be rich. Of course if I paid to bring to market *every* idea I ever had, good or bad, I'd be very, very poor on the whole. <.< But not even the person who brings the product to market really "owns" the idea. Intellectual "property" is a fraud. Unfortunately factual reality and legal reality are very rarely related to each other.

[Sehtey]

I don't disagree with copyright, I really don't. The idea behind it imo is solid, you come up with something great, you take credit for it. However, i do disagree with the way everyone wants to implement it, and I wholeheartedly agree that the system in general needs a revamp. Most of this shit is caused either by people wanting drama or people thinking they know the law, when they really don't. I fully support the Open Source Foundation and everything the GNU License stands for, and everything Linux stands for.

[MrPopov]

I'm sure these people crying over copyright have never listened to an .mp3 without first asking the consent of the artist/owner about the method of distribution.

Or hell, any possible piece of sound, motion picture, or even photograph that wasn't authorized first. Cuz you know, it's pretty cut and dry that if the author didn't give consent, then you must assume they don't approve. I mean artists don't want just anyone viewing and enjoying their work, you have to enjoy it in the exact way they intend.

:rolleyes: