Pulse95 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I was looking through the 1.3 change log and I found this: Added demo mode for non-premium users Lasts 5 game days per world No more annoying people asking us " Heyyazz can you make it for non-premium downloads pleaasE?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 One can always hope, but never underestimate stupidity. In theory, though, that should solve that particular irritation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrial Miner Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Now lets wait for the modders to make SMP mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzioA Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 What if Mojang removes mod support in demo mode?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Impossible. Mod support isn't even in yet and we have mods now. The fuck are you thinking of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merchant of Menace Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I wonder when the mod to set the world date back to day one at the end of the five days will turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Depends on if only the normal crackers do it or if Mojang manages to piss off the rest of us and we suddenly feel motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazDude2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Why in the world would they do that, when they already have login proxies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Why in the world would they do that, when they already have login proxies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazDude2012 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Yeah, but piracy is piracy. Pirates are after convenience, and modding the source of a demo, vs just creating a Minecraft account and using Mineshafter? I mean, I might do it for the lulz, but why would anyone use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledhead900 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Yeah, but piracy is piracy. Pirates are after convenience, and modding the source of a demo, vs just creating a Minecraft account and using Mineshafter? I mean, I might do it for the lulz, but why would anyone use it? People cracked the android demo as well but that would probably unlock the game outright. Though I wonder what use the PC demo would yield for cracking it. Though we should probably tread lightly talking about that as we may get flagged for it. But they support the game why not just buy the game, I understand temporary to test it out before a purchase but you should buy it if u support it. I don't know why there is a DEMO version unless you guys are talking about when you just don't log into the client and use offline mode. Which I have to admit that would annoy me when my internet goes because of moving house or if I am on a holiday on a laptop and I just want to play Technic or Vanilla at lunch or something like that. If there is a proper demo then I can see someone probably cracking it as the Demo would be much like the android demo where cracking would give u unlimited game time and it would also save the signup process and the third party client requirement as it would be for SP, The Demo I don't think is any different unless they actually removed code to remove content from the game otherwise it would be identical to the premium client and you could use mods and stuff for SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay? Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Pirates, much like other people, come in many varieties. Some are after convenience, and some just want to build a giant wrought iron middle finger in front of FBI headquarters. If it's hackable, it'll get hacked, this is just a reality that we have to live with in the modern age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Pirates, much like other people, come in many varieties. Some are after convenience, and some just want to build a giant wrought iron middle finger in front of FBI headquarters. If it's hackable, it'll get hacked, this is just a reality that we have to live with in the modern age. Exactly. Like I said, the degree to which people in general will go to screw with Mojang is directly proportional to the degree in which Mojang screws with people in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merchant of Menace Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Exactly. Like I said, the degree to which people in general will go to screw with Mojang is directly proportional to the degree in which Mojang screws with people in general. "Oh hey, we're making a modding API for 1.3!" "Actually no, we're merging SMP and SSP instead, the processor load will be increased, but we'll fix it with optimizations." "Oh yeah, we're not actually going to optimize it until 1.4, so if your PC isn't good enough to play it now, go fuck yourself" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabloz Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Pirates, much like other people, come in many varieties. Some are after convenience, and some just want to build a giant wrought iron middle finger in front of FBI headquarters. If it's hackable, it'll get hacked, this is just a reality that we have to live with in the modern age. I lol'd irl when i read this because its so true, thx for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledhead900 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 "Oh hey, we're making a modding API for 1.3!" "Actually no, we're merging SMP and SSP instead, the processor load will be increased, but we'll fix it with optimizations." "Oh yeah, we're not actually going to optimize it until 1.4, so if your PC isn't good enough to play it now, go fuck yourself" I think we both know there are more things wrong with the code base than just simple tweaks, For starters why the hell would they have Bukkit not merge with the Server Jar, instead they told Bukkit to work on the vanilla commands. I have said a long time ago now that I was sure Mojang is not modding biggest fan, this would explain a lot of things. I'm pretty confident on Spouts new goals though. I also agree with jakj I lost faith in Mojang a loong time ago, dare I say Mojang are turning out to be a little brother too EA . Aside from all of this people keep sending notes about 1.3 and I keep telling them that until true modding support comes and another dinky wrapper but a proper server controls client situation I'm not interested I am 100% Tekkit now I also think that Tekkit may end up moving to the new Spout Server once that matures up and people start noticing and coding for it though I could be wrong but it does look promising. I had a play with Vanilla 1.3 as well and it doesn't look good that is for sure so many bugs many things were broken, even the whole way they merged SP and MP was wrong they should have used the SP code and rewrote MP for that not the other way around SMP in vanilla had issues the SP jar was a lot more stable. Can anyone actually tell me about this Demo as it is the first I read about any such thing, I know you can go offline mode but have Mojang released a cut down version of the game as a demo or is the demo just a modified current client. If the demo is a uncut client than sure I can totally see crackers modding that so to save the whole 15 or less of trouble it would take to play SP as it would be equal to the reason they cracked the Android version of the game the source was the same but the game play time was limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 "Oh hey, we're making a modding API for 1.3!" "Actually no, we're merging SMP and SSP instead, the processor load will be increased, but we'll fix it with optimizations." "Oh yeah, we're not actually going to optimize it until 1.4, so if your PC isn't good enough to play it now, go fuck yourself" Don't forget "We will release the NDA'd source code to a set of licensed and approved modders.", which conveniently has been dropped now that Notch buggered off. And all of us alpha players should keep in mind the ages-old promise of "If I or the players ever lose interest in this game enough to not make it commercially-viable, I'll release it to the public and let you guys have it.", which lasted precisely as long as it took for Notch's first gold-plated toilet seat to arrive. Let's all be honest, here: All they'd have to do is stop obfuscating the source, and every worthwhile modder on the planet wouldn't give two shits about anything else, because we are fully-capable of producing our own APIs and packs. Despite the vomitous shitpot the modding community is right now, given enough time, equilibrium and entropy both would play their part and eventually something would precipitate into a cohesive whole (of which Forge is one of the earliest examples), thereby leading to future efforts sticking to that precipitation out of sheer momentum, and finally a "core" modding community that might actually keep the pot spinning in one direction for a while. Fuck Mojang's modding API, fuck all that, fuck their past promises. Just turn off the linker flag that obfuscates the damn program, and leave us be. So easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzioA Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Question: why obfuscate? Also: obfuscation = (I know it's sort of encrypting the code) the class names? (e.g. aaa.class, aab.class etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazDude2012 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 That's correct, Ezio. Also method names and variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Obfuscation makes decompilation more difficult, forcing people like Searge (MCP) to painstakingly reverse-engineer the code using logic, trial and error, and educated guesses. The intent is copy-protection, for the most part, as stupid as any other such measure, but they continue to delude themselves and we either suck it or walk out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightKev Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 It doesn't even make any sense to obfuscate it and then say "yeah MCP is great we totally support them", I just don't understand them at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 That's exactly what they just said, though. According to Minecraft Wiki: Statement from Mojang: The release has been updated to 1.3.1 instead of just 1.3, because the obfuscation was wrong and made life (more) difficult for modders. So yeah, talking out of both sides of their mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EzioA Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 That's exactly what they just said, though. According to Minecraft Wiki: Statement from Mojang: The release has been updated to 1.3.1 instead of just 1.3, because the obfuscation was wrong and made life (more) difficult for modders. So yeah, talking out of both sides of their mouth. That's the same as saying "I will kill you and revive you afterwards" 0.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torezu Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Pirates, much like other people, come in many varieties. Some are after convenience, and some just want to build a giant wrought iron middle finger in front of FBI headquarters. This would be fun. Anyone have a working nanobot design that could do it in the middle of the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightKev Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I think we should hit Mojang first, then EA; the FBI can wait. By the way, apparently Tahg/Vaht is quitting Mojang, I wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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