Silent Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Please let me know if I missed any facts etc in my comment, I'm trying to spread that around major modded YouTubers. Why can't everybody just be happy [/hippy] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miniboxer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Please let me know if I missed any facts etc in my comment, I'm trying to spread that around major modded YouTubers. Why can't everybody just be happy [/hippy] to the mods for the warning: think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blurry Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 looks like the mod giving the warning was a little triggerhappy here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylord Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Yeah, if you looked a little closer, Silent was actually linking to a comment he made on this video, you can see the linked comment below the video. This warning should be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorcer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 From GreenWolf13: http://pastebin.com/1ecspQpf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf13 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 From GreenWolf13: http://pastebin.com/1ecspQpf Ironically, I was considering posting that, but I decided not to, since I wasn't able to view the comment on my iPad. (My PC is currently doing important things, so I'm using my iPad right now.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorcer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Ironically, I was considering posting that, but I decided not to, since I wasn't able to view the comment on my iPad. (My PC is currently doing important things, so I'm using my iPad right now.) Well then you are welcome ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slektomper Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 something interesting came out of minecon on this matter in this video at 12:40 jeb says that mod devs DO have copyright over their images, sounds and code (models etc). just thought i'd mention this as it basically invalidates everything technic have ever said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf13 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 something interesting came out of minecon on this matter in this video at 12:40 jeb says that mod devs DO have copyright over their images, sounds and code (models etc). just thought i'd mention this as it basically invalidates everything technic have ever said... Did you read the pastebin linked? It's not up to Mojang or the Modders whether they have copy right or not. It has to be decided by a court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slektomper Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 its basic copyright law that you have copyright over anything that you make, including programs, images or music. you should research that a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf13 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 its basic copyright law that you have copyright over anything that you make, including programs, images or music. you should research that a bit more As I said, did you even read the pastebin? If the mod authors want to enforce their copyright, they have to prove a) that there is enough difference between their mod and the main game to warrant a copyright (which would be difficult, as the mods are modifications of Minecraft) and prove that they have lost revenue (which is also impossible, as the minecraft ToS says you cn't mak money off of mods). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slektomper Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 what about the images and sounds that are distributed in the mods? they have full copyright over them if they made them. theres no arguing about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf13 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 what about the images and sounds that are distributed in the mods? they have full copyright over them if they made them. theres no arguing about that You are correct that they have copyright over the sounds and textures, but that can easily be bypassed by simply distributing the mods with your own textures and sounds. Edit: This only applies if the textures and sounds were made by the mod authors from scratch. As Ragnar Homsar said, this is rarely the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Homsar Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 what about the images and sounds that are distributed in the mods? they have full copyright over them if they made them. theres no arguing about that Sounds are more often than not ripped from some source with its own specific copyright statement, and most textures/images are derivatives of the original graphics in Minecraft (UIs, Industrialcraft blocks using the old iron texture as a base for machine blocks, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf13 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Sounds are more often than not ripped from some source with its own specific copyright statement, and most textures/images are derivatives of the original graphics in Minecraft (UIs, Industrialcraft blocks using the old iron texture as a base for machine blocks, etc.) There's also the very common practice of having texture artists do textures for you. Unless they waive all their rights to the textures, they could theoretically say the mod authors violate their copyright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slektomper Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 very true, a lot of textures for mods are made from vanilla textures, or externally to the mod dev, but if someone made it for the mod, they cant sue the mod devs XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Homsar Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 very true, a lot of textures for mods are made from vanilla textures, or externally to the mod dev, but if someone made it for the mod, they cant sue the mod devs XD Tell me how this works? If you don't explicitly sign away your rights to graphics you've created for a mod, then the mod author doesn't have any rights to it and you can, if you really felt like it, charge them with using your graphics without permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErusPrime Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 You have to actually apply for a copyright. What they have is called intellectual property rights. because it is an IP of a derivative work, the only legal action they have (until they actually apply for a copyright) is DMCA takedowns. That's why technic is still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorcer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 You have to actually apply for a copyright. What they have is called intellectual property rights. because it is an IP of a derivative work, the only legal action they have (until they actually apply for a copyright) is DMCA takedowns. That's why technic is still here. Even if they did apply for a copyright, they would never get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf13 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 You have to actually apply for a copyright. What they have is called intellectual property rights. because it is an IP of a derivative work, the only legal action they have (until they actually apply for a copyright) is DMCA takedowns. That's why technic is still here. Actually, they don't even have DMCA takedowns. When they have a link pulled by claiming copyright they are actually opening themselves up to attack for false claims, of course taking this to court would be rather silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErusPrime Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Actually, as long as the mod shows it's original and enhances the game, they could easily get a derivative work copyright. This would allow them to sue. They could be allowed monetary compensation if they could prove damages. And yes, they would be opening themselves up to false claims with DMCA takedown requests. however, authors with the IP do have the right to make the request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorcer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Getting too legally ,for me so I am out but I will just post this here. I cannot vouch for its validity, but the author seems to know what he is talking about: "The mod authors are in the wrong in this section as they cannot claim copy right to their derivative work unless they take it to court and prove that there is enough separation from the main product (in this case, Minecraft, which is a hard sales since mods modify the gameplay of that software) to warrant their own copyright." In addition, the modpacks use would still fall under the category of fair-use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenWolf13 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 In the end, the legal stuff doesn't really matter, as no one is going to try bringing this to court. It really boils down to the attitude of the modders. If they hold the attitude "mine! You can't use it! Give me ad.fly pennies!" Then it will only hurt the community. Our goal should be to convince them that it would be better for everyone if they held the attitude of "I made this, but I made it for you guys to enjoy. Feel free to do whatever the hell you want with it. And if you want to donate, that would be awesome, but you don't have to." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylord Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 In the end, the legal stuff doesn't really matter, as no one is going to try bringing this to court. It really boils down to the attitude of the modders. If they hold the attitude "mine! You can't use it! Give me ad.fly pennies!" Then it will only hurt the community. Our goal should be to convince them that it would be better for everyone if they held the attitude of "I made this, but I made it for you guys to enjoy. Feel free to do whatever the hell you want with it. And if you want to donate, that would be awesome, but you don't have to." Pretty much. In terms of modding community, one could say that Skyrim is Norway, and Minecraft is the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed10 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Pretty much. In terms of modding community, one could say that Skyrim is Norway, and Minecraft is the US. Haha! This, so much. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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