GreenWolf13 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 additionally, if the creators and maintainers of these packs are evil, as you put it, what makes you think they will not simply remove your nag code and go about their business? do you want to get into an arms race with these people instead of doing something more enjoyable? that has worked out great for the record, movie, and video game industry so far. I know! EULA's and DRM are so effective! Wait, you were being sarcastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western_freak Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 I'd just like to thank Richard for coming here and explaining his reasoning behind the pop-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaAzn Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 L0L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakachu Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 L0L you took the time and effort to use a 0 instead of an O, but couldn't be assed to type more than a single three letter acronym? that's impressive, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorcer Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 you took the time and effort to use a 0 instead of an O, but couldn't be assed to type more than a single three letter acronym? that's impressive, I guess. Impressive is not the word i would use in that situation, but you are the master word smith ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holymage! Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 i would say that if they are not following the guidelines then they should suffer the consquences....if it means blacklisting the modpack or destroying worlds then i think that RichardG has all the rights in the world to do what ever the heck he wants to that modpack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakachu Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 i would say that if they are not following the guidelines then they should suffer the consquences....if it means blacklisting the modpack or destroying worlds then i think that RichardG has all the rights in the world to do what ever the heck he wants to that modpack... here's the thing: it isn't being done to "the modpack", it's being done to the players using the modpack. that's a huge difference. just because they're using a mod pack doesn't make them non-people who deserve to get their C drive formatted or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwillb Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 i would say that if they are not following the guidelines then they should suffer the consquences....if it means blacklisting the modpack or destroying worlds then i think that RichardG has all the rights in the world to do what ever the heck he wants to that modpack... Funny thing is none of the people who release mods are following the guidelines set forth by Mojang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougman Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 who deserve to get their C drive formatted or whatever. Now THAT would be a severe punishment for using a mod pack! It is true though the modders should stop trying to target the people using it and instead find a way to stop the people who are making the mod pack from using their mod. Targeting the users is perhaps the worst option for the modders to take. Trying to communicate should come before any changes to code are even considered. Communicating can easily stop things from getting ugly and worlds getting destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay? Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 i would say that if they are not following the guidelines then they should suffer the consquences....if it means blacklisting the modpack or destroying worlds then i think that RichardG has all the rights in the world to do what ever the heck he wants to that modpack... I keep seeing this argument. It's not a valid argument. I run a freelancer server on the weekends. I have the right to install a plugin that turns all the screenshots taken on my server into pictures of a baboon. I have every legal right to do that. That in no way prevents it from being an enormous dick move. Legality doesn't even begin to enter into it, first of all, because modificatoins are very shaky legal ground even without Mojangs vague-as-fuck terms, secondly because noone is talking about filing suit, they're talking about people being dickbags (bags of dick), and thirdly, this doesn't even affect us! RichardG himself came on and told us that it didn't affect us, because our permissions are up to date (and richardg doesn't like us very much, in case you missed that part). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The following is the attitude Minecraft modders should have. MCP will never implement "features" to prevent those people from using it that violate our rules. That would be censorship, not freedom. http://twitter.com/SeargeDP/status/262293083943731200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holymage! Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Funny thing is none of the people who release mods are following the guidelines set forth by Mojang. and they have the right to break the mods whenever they want here's the thing: it isn't being done to "the modpack", it's being done to the players using the modpack. that's a huge difference. just because they're using a mod pack doesn't make them non-people who deserve to get their C drive formatted or whatever. i guess you have a point there...i didn't like singirs little surprise when he went on his rant about forestry The following is the attitude Minecraft modders should have. http://twitter.com/SeargeDP/status/262293083943731200 sorry, i am unable to grasp metaphors alot of the time mind explaining this to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightKev Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's not really a metaphor... Just replace "features" with "code that destroys users' data/etc". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakachu Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 i guess you have a point there...i didn't like singirs little surprise when he went on his rant about forestry exactly. this is why things like this are a bad idea, even if technic users aren't going to suffer for it it is still a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xylord Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 and they have the right to break the mods whenever they want i guess you have a point there...i didn't like singirs little surprise when he went on his rant about forestry I detect the bitter smell of contradiction here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 He doesn't even know what the word "metaphor" actually means, so I wouldn't bother dissecting his opinion too deeply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holymage! Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I detect the bitter smell of contradiction here. the irony is...i am a little bit of a hypicrte that hates them as well He doesn't even know what the word "metaphor" actually means, so I wouldn't bother dissecting his opinion too deeply. no, i know what a metaphor is, my reading compreshnsion is just not high enough to grasp abstract or somewhat abstract ideas/things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacrieur Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 and they have the right to break the mods whenever they want Intentional malicious code is something they could be sued for, so no, they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevortex Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 For minecraft mods, seeing any amount of time spent on childish DRM schemes(rather than fixing their dodgy coding) that only punish the end user makes me realize the mentality in the modders heads, its all about the adf.ly, the rest of you be damned... irritates me to no end, time should be put towards interoperability, not the opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphA Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 For minecraft mods, seeing any amount of time spent on childish DRM schemes(rather than fixing their dodgy coding) that only punish the end user makes me realize the mentality in the modders heads, its all about the adf.ly, the rest of you be damned... irritates me to no end, time should be put towards interoperability, not the opposite There are people who loved to solve some missing parts of minecraft by adding new stuff, but their objectives in life have changed. So i don't really see an issue with trying to make some cash off of his works; and punishing people for interfering with their business. With the bee stuff players may have lost their worlds, it was technics credibility that got hurt, not the mod - because most of the players don't even actually know the mod names in the pack or the whole concept of the pack itself. For them it's just Technic, not even Minecraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakachu Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 There are people who loved to solve some missing parts of minecraft by adding new stuff, but their objectives in life have changed. So i don't really see an issue with trying to make some cash off of his works; and punishing people for interfering with their business. With the bee stuff players may have lost their worlds, it was technics credibility that got hurt, not the mod - because most of the players don't even actually know the mod names in the pack or the whole concept of the pack itself. For them it's just Technic, not even Minecraft. I suggest you grab hold of something securely anchored to the floor, you're liable to fly off when you're spinning that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakj Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 There are people who loved to solve some missing parts of minecraft by adding new stuff, but their objectives in life have changed. So i don't really see an issue with trying to make some cash off of his works; Then they should go follow their new objectives in life, not try to warp and twist their old efforts to their new objectives. If you want to make money off of something, you should either provide a valuable service, or you could create something novel and useful. Making modifications to an existing video game is neither of those things. and punishing people for interfering with their business. It is Mojang's business, not theirs. An outsider's contribution to an existing business is either money (or refusal to provide it) or constructive criticism: Speak with your wallet, or speak with your reason. You don't get to walk into somebody else's business and say "I'm going to make money off of you, now, so we're going to do it -this- way.". With the bee stuff players may have lost their worlds, it was technics credibility that got hurt, not the mod - because most of the players don't even actually know the mod names in the pack or the whole concept of the pack itself. For them it's just Technic, not even Minecraft. Our credibility was untouched: We know very well at whose feet lay the force behind the disruption, and we had a good little shitfit over it; I dare you to find anyone here with an IQ above 6 who says "Technic sucks because they made the bees explode.". It actually pains me to say this, but I have to say it anyway: You are (slightly) underestimating the overall intelligence-level of the Technic playerbase, to say that the majority of them don't know what mods are or how they work. I can see some of the people who come here purely from Yogscast videos might at first not understand that it's a pack of mods and not just one big thing, but that really doesn't last long, not with the vast lack of integration between mods making it clear as you play that you're dealing with a very disjoint collection of sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poryy Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I keep seeing this argument. It's not a valid argument. I run a freelancer server on the weekends. I have the right to install a plugin that turns all the screenshots taken on my server into pictures of a baboon. Is that a real plugin? If so tell me where I can get it. PLEASE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevortex Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 well said jakj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampayne2 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Is that a real plugin? If so tell me where I can get it. PLEASE. Of course not. xD I would get it if it was possible though... sounds hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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